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C3 solo/living - hiring mercs for protection?

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Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-01-16 18:43:52 UTC
Will be setting up an Astra, running PvE and PI - solo. Have toons with good WH skills from previous stint with a corp. But was looking for some risk management such as Mercs to protect the Astra post anchoring 15 mins window. Was also thinking of standby support if loot pinata jokers and eviction attempts are made later on. Got some good feedback from one Merc corp - seems reliable albeit expensive (1b monthly for "standby" protection). But maybe that's the standard.

I'm wondering if you have experience in similar circumstances, is it a viable strategy for a solo corp with a few toons? What are the expected costs and are there reliable merc corps (with WH experience) worth considering for the job?

Thanks!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-01-16 22:20:53 UTC
You're so cute.

Here's how you live solo in a C3:
- put a scout into a C3 with HS static
- leave main in HS
- scan HS when you want
- go run sites

For expert mode, skip steps 1 and 2 and just scan in from HS when you want to run sites in a low class WH but you dont want to join a corp.


....bil a month for standby mercs... I tip my hat to the mastermind who gets you to agree to that payment scheme!!!

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

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Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2017-01-16 23:32:16 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
You're so cute.



I've never been called cute before, Jack Milton. I knew Eve was special, but this proves it beyond a doubt.
And thanks for the advice. Interesting model.

If anyone knows of a reliable merc corp, I'd still be interested to know.
Hipqo
Tyde8
#4 - 2017-01-16 23:34:58 UTC
You wanna close all connections to the wormhole before you start anchoring, then be online for 24 hours and close all connections that open up. Pray to bob you dont get alot of frig holes!!

If, or rather when, capsuleers come to evict you, its already to late to call for backup, because the evictors will have hole control and you will not be able to keep a highsec open for longer then a few mins at a time (perhaps only a few secs if they have rolling ships on standby), which leaves no time at all for Mercs to come save you.

You can live solo, but you will not be able to defend your loot pinata what so ever, unless you can multibox 10+ accounts effeciently in combat.

Do what Jack suggests and day trip with multible accounts. Jump in from highsec, close all holes, farm like a maniac, open highsec and leave again, leaving one alt behind for the next day.

A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"

Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-01-17 01:08:29 UTC
Hipqo wrote:


You can live solo, but you will not be able to defend your loot pinata what so ever, unless you can multibox 10+ accounts effeciently in combat.

Do what Jack suggests


Solid advice. Thanks.

For me WH goes beyond running PvE for ISK. I like planning the logistics, doing some PI, hunting, I even like the isolation; and the thrill of some risk and managing it - but not stupid risk. I lived in a C4 with a 4 people corp for 6 months before taking a 2 years break from Eve. Loved it.

Reading yours and Jack Miton's post what I hear is that solo life in a C3 could be a fool's errand?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-01-17 01:51:38 UTC
It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static)

There is no Bob.

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Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2017-01-17 02:22:55 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static)


Hard to argue your point. I can only think of one subjective benefit: unique content. By that I mean, a unique WH solo experience.
I'm already having fun researching it all, skilling my toons, dropping a Helios into a fine C3 I found, and of course, this thread is part of it. Your feedback is part of this content. Thank you.

That and not having to worry about scheduling corp nights Cool

ps - Is living out of an Orca viable?
Eikin Skjald
Ars Venandi
#8 - 2017-01-17 08:28:11 UTC
Artesius wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static)


Hard to argue your point. I can only think of one subjective benefit: unique content. By that I mean, a unique WH solo experience.
I'm already having fun researching it all, skilling my toons, dropping a Helios into a fine C3 I found, and of course, this thread is part of it. Your feedback is part of this content. Thank you.

That and not having to worry about scheduling corp nights Cool

ps - Is living out of an Orca viable?



If you want that solo experience...do it.

An Astrahus is not that expensive. Only take your Loot and Stuff outside from time to time. That's much more easier than an Orca home and you will loose that Orca earlier than the Citadel. Just make sure that the hole is closed during the anchoring Timer (24h).

Any Eviction Corp will recognize that you are a Solo Target, so that Loot Piniata is not that interesting to stay there for 3 days.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2017-01-17 09:05:03 UTC
As others have said, it doesn't really make sense to have mercs on 'standby' in a wormhole. By the time they get there, it will probably be over.

That said, it does make sense to hire protection for the on-lining period. A good wormhole corp will have experience controlling a wormhole during the 24 hours that you want to cover, and know how to fight off any visitors you might get during that period.

It might cost more that it's worth, though. You might try contacting my corp leadership; the Tuskers are a wormhole pvp corp rather than mercenaries, so I can't guarantee that they'll be interested. But we have the experience, and the manpower to do what you are looking for, and we won't break an agreement with you. Could be worth checking out.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-01-17 10:16:51 UTC
Set up a POS - dickstar. Cheap, easy and fairly safe.
Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-01-17 14:18:16 UTC
Taurean Eltanin wrote:
You might try contacting my corp leadership; the Tuskers are a wormhole pvp corp rather than mercenaries, so I can't guarantee that they'll be interested. But we have the experience, and the manpower to do what you are looking for, and we won't break an agreement with you. Could be worth checking out.


I will do it. Thanks for your this advice.

ps. I enjoy reading your blog.

Akali Mid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-01-17 15:31:46 UTC
Unless your c3 has some attribute that a major wh corp or alliance want, you don't have to worry with protection as long as you don't **** people off too much.

Protection is like mafia the ones you pay to protect you are the ones that will destroy your ****, because now they know you're a little whinner.

Just put all the pocos up and a large tower with some basic defenses and no one will ever bother you man.

Also always avoid fighting, if you see someone ratting in your system, let him that, he will go away, don't act stupid.
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-01-17 15:38:03 UTC
Artesius wrote:


I will do it. Thanks for your this advice.

ps. I enjoy reading your blog.



Cheers.

You'll know I went the POS route, then. Quick and easy to set up, and way too boring for anyone to attack while onlining.

That said, I'll probably go for a citadel at some point. I think already being established in the system will make that much easier to do solo.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#14 - 2017-01-18 03:53:15 UTC
Artesius wrote:
ps - Is living out of an Orca viable?


yes, as long as you're willing to travel very light, and have multiple characters on multiple accounts, it is doable.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-01-18 04:22:16 UTC
Akali Mid wrote:

Protection is like mafia the ones you pay to protect you are the ones that will destroy your ****, because now they know you're a little whinner.
.


Yeah. This is a risk alright. Thanks for the advice.

Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2017-01-18 04:23:10 UTC
Fantastic feedback. Thank you everyone.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#17 - 2017-01-18 13:45:48 UTC
I lived solo in a C3 wormhole for a while without having had any previous wormhole experience. I started with a medium POS and learned things as I went. Once I figured out how to effectively roll wormholes, I started bashing customs offices which then gave me the confidence to lay down a citadel solo. I kept the hole isolated for that 24 hours so it was a complete non-event. There's always a chance that the wrong corp could stumble into your hole, but if you're smart about when you anchor, you can reduce those odds to the minimum. Without any actual data to back it up, I intuitively rate my odds of being able to anchor successfully solo at about 80% if I'm vigilant about closing connections. That's good enough for me to take a shot. And if it gets blown up, I can make that isk back in a week.

There's a lot of fear mongering out there about the dangers of running solo in a wormhole, but I found it fairly easy and rewarding. I lost a few ships early on, but I got a lot smarter as I went. Sure, you can find a wormhole corp or hire mercs for help, but the most rewarding aspect for me was the challenge of doing it alone. It's not a fool's errand.
Artesius
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2017-01-18 15:37:00 UTC
Zarek Kree wrote:


There's a lot of fear mongering out there about the dangers of running solo in a wormhole, but I found it fairly easy and rewarding. I lost a few ships early on, but I got a lot smarter as I went. Sure, you can find a wormhole corp or hire mercs for help, but the most rewarding aspect for me was the challenge of doing it alone. It's not a fool's errand.


You speak my language; something like a 70-80% probability is reasonable risk for WH life. I hear you loud and clear about taking all precautions like zipping the system beforehand. My thinking right now: run out of an Orca for a few weeks, focus on ratting and get to know the system etc. Practice zipping (did it with corpies, never on my own) and then setup an Astra or POS setup. I'm yet to make a final decision regarding the latter, although a Citadel looks good vis-a-vis fuel management, which is a pain with medium/large POS.

In retrospect would you go for a POS or Citadel as a starting point?


Thank you!
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#19 - 2017-01-18 16:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
A citadel is definitely worth the effort, but I'd still start with a POS initially. Even if it was just a small one without defenses to park your Orca for ship swaps and other times when you need to be uncloaked. In fact, you could even park your ships at a safe and leave it offline (or pack it up) when you're logged out, so the fuel costs would be minimal. That keeps your exposure low and your safety factor high when you're actually running daily wormhole operations. And best of all, you wouldn't have to jump through the hoops of setting up POS defenses (which is a major pain).

The very first thing you do every day is scan, so log into your scanning alt, warp to your dead stick, bring it online and then warp off to a safe to do your scans and other housekeeping. By the time you're done, the POS will be online. Then log into your Orca, warp to your POS shield, bring out your site runner or wormhole roller and run your ops. When you're done, pack it all up, offline your POS, warp off to your safe and log out. Doing it that way is actually safer than being in a citadel - just not as convenient and you can't pack as much stuff. Of course packing everything into an Orca requires that you use a T3 cruiser (or smaller) for running sites and a Higgs rigged cruiser for rolling holes. You obviously can't pack battleships away like that. But that's how many wormhole day trippers commonly do business.

Plus it helps to have a base of operations when you're anchoring your citadel. I frequently used 3 different ships on one account when isolating the hole - a scanning ship, plus a Higgs Raven and Higgs Omen for rolling. Swapping those out quickly is easier at a POS.
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#20 - 2017-01-18 17:49:38 UTC
For solo, I'm not really seeing where a citadel would be the way to go over a POS. It has less defense, more vulnerable during setup, costs more, and POS modules have pretty good indy bonuses baked in.

A citadel is very nice in k-space because when you're 10 systems away it's still easy to manage the jobs where in a POS you pretty much need to be in system to move things around between modules. Also they're nice for individual storage. But neither of those really apply to a solo guy living in j-space.

For corps and alliance they totally make sense and I'm sure they were a God send over trying to manage a corp living out of a POS. But for a solo player with alts in a corp POS life is pretty easy.
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