EVE General Discussion

1) That effect is a result of Local. Nothing else. It creates a crutch whereby you now complain about a potentially afk player causing you problems.

1a) Its unusual to western paradigm and philosophy, but there exists a concept of "no-space", which defines the qualities of something not only by those it has or exhibits internally, but also by its exemption and/or influence on everything surrounding it. This is the understanding that something is not simply what it is, but also that which it is not. It occupies a unique space, at that time, in its particular form, which not only defines itself, but that of everything else around it. Like a missing piece in an otherwise completed jigsaw puzzle or alternatively the only piece of the jigsaw you have. The relationship of quality is thus contiguous, both shaped by its surroundings, and a unique part of them itself.

2) Inorder to camp a system for 3 days, you must login 3 times, due to downtime.

3) Being at your keyboard is not a requirement in this game.

4) If he is afk in a cloaked frigate, and you are afk in station, whats the difference?

1) Is his behavior affecting yours? If yes, that is interaction.

2) If 1 cloaked frigate can force 20-30 people out of a system simply by being there, the problem is not in the cloaked frigate player.

1. Yes exactly, interaction while he is asleep or at work and not even playing, which I am saying is unfair. Don't post if you are not going to read anything I write.

2. Yes it is exactly the problem with the cloaked player. You know the presence of a hotdropper has this effect so stop pretending it has no effect just to disagree with me. The hotdropper has been known to drop titans and I can prove it, so don't tell me it's possible to build a defense fleet, because it ISN'T. I have no chance of removing him on his terms, and currently there is no way of catching him off guard.

Me thinks you should try wormhole space to get the hang of this constant "danger that could be there but not really there".

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Go and read my previous posts and understand them, and stop posting stuff which has nothing to do with the point I'm making. So no, not problem solved.

1) Hotdroppers have no such advantage. They take all the risk going into enemy sov. The notion that being afk is overpowered, is an impossible notion. How can someone be overpowered when they arent even at their keyboard?

2) Login once per day means they cant go on an Australian surfing trip and maintain presence in your space, unless they login and remain logged in once a day. I already explained how their presence, and yours, is interactive, regardless of whether you are afk or not.

3) They are not "completely" immune to being killed, but yes, in practice. They have a cloak, which has its own mechanics. If they are afk cloaked in space, they are no threat to you, cos they are afk.

4) What exactly is it that you are doing in NS that a single cloaked ship so upsets you?
Are you running sites in stupidly bling ships?
Are you multiboxing huge mining fleets?

Remove local from Null. Now there is something that I'd like to see.

Look dude, you aren't understanding anything I have said. I'm not going to continue speaking to you if I have to correct you everytime and you still don't listen to what I have said.

Hotdropping is probably THE safest form of PVP. The cyno basically has no risk is he has any experience at all in null, cloaking makes you basically unkillable. As for the fleet that follows, well, they have no risk either because they only fight players who stand no chance to fight and then get safe. There is little to no time to respond to a hotdrop, (assuming you even have the firepower to take them on in the first place).

You can totally be overpowered away from the keyboard. By forcing everyone out of the system while not playing is overpowered, it's pretty simple to understand, and I'm not sure why you are having such a problem with it unless you are doing this deliberately.

2. It was an example, I'm basically saying they can go do whatever they want and still they have the effect as playing the game, when they are in fact NOT PLAYING THE GAME.

3. You can't treat them as no threat though whether they are or not. If you drop your shoe in the tiger enclosure, and you can't see a tiger, you would still NEVER go in there and you treat the situation as if the tiger is there. It's the same story here, maybe you will understand this analogy better.

4. I carrier rat and PVP, but again that's not the point. The point is the cloaker jumped in the system, and parked in an aribtrary spot and then went to work. I have to move whatever I need to another system, which can sometimes take 30 minutes to an hour, and it affects every other player in the system, not just 1.

I don't even care what you say, any intelligent person can see that is not balanced.

This isn't even a thread about local chat. Go and make your own thread if you want to discuss that. Like I said, wormholes are irrelevant because they are not NS, for the same reasons I'm not bringing up low sec or high sec. I AM TALKING ABOUT NULL SEC.