EVE General Discussion

(Angry Opinions)



Don't underestimate the alpha clone state or the fun in T1 Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates.

Financially, Eve should be -

- No "free to play forever" accounts, 30 day Tech 1 access trial with a verified ID via credit card with a $1.00 verification fee. Free trial is limited to one per credit card, machine ID and IP address.
OR (because I think the "Free-to-Play" is practically irreversible now....)
- Free to play includes access to rookie ships (based on bloodline) and the accessories/item types/skills that can be used on them. No option for any ships/skills/item types higher than Rookie entry level ships. (This is for the casual player that wants to play only for social contact with friends or some other reason).

- Level 1 Account (rename as needed) - $4.99 a month (auto-pay renewal required) with full Tech 1 access to skills or item types as long as the account is in good standing. If account becomes delinquent in payment, skills are paused and they have 90 days to restart it or lose the account.

- Level 2 Account (rename as needed) - $9.99 a month (auto-pay renewal required) with full Tech 2 access to skills or item types as long as the account is in good standing. If account becomes delinquent in payment, skills are paused and they have 90 days to restart it or lose the account.

- Level 3 Account (rename as needed) - $14.99 a month (auto-pay renewal required) with full access to all skills or item types as long as the account is in good standing. This account is slightly different as it unlocks capital level skills, ships and item types (yes, the Orca too). If account becomes delinquent in payment, skills are paused and they have 90 days to restart it or lose the account.

The above prices are based on Auto-pay with a credit card and do not include an option to pay a full year at a time and get a 10% discount. I would love to have a higher rate for monthly fees but in today's world with other games so easy to get on your smart phone, it's not practical or sustainable.

I hope I didn't miss anything, please forgive spelling, etc. Now you can pay only $4.99 to initially "watch your skills tick" until you want better skills. If CCP actually looks at this and talks it over with their accounting dept, I'll "**** a brick". I better get a CCP jacket out of it, LOL! Just kidding. But if you send me one, I won't return it. :-) Just in case...CCP logo on the front, EVE ONLINE on the back. I'll wear it when I recruit more players at the local game stores.

Side Note: Micro transactions are the death nail to so many online games. Look up Gameloft financials as proof. I wasn't around at the time but I heard CCP tried them in 2012 and ditched them soon after.

Its probably also one of the reasons that while the PvP is fun as hell the subscription numbers have remained stagnant for so long.

As with most things, its not either/or. There are aspects of EVE PvP that are more unique and require a higher level of skill and competence. But there are other aspects of eve that are less unique and/or don't take nearly as much skill as some other pvp game does.

So you are both right and not right. Eve definitely does not do twitchy pvp at all, and many people define "skill" by twitch standards. How precise and rapid was my aim, how fast and accurately was able to move and shoot, etc. Eve's never going to compete there. It's not that type of game.

At the same time, EVE has a level of group tactics and preparation that are pretty unique. The complexity comes from the players, more than the mechanics. If you haven't been in a null sec war, then you really aren't in a good position to evaluation the full range of complexity of PvP at all. Having 10 different FCs in 10 different 50 person fleets each with a specific role to complete coordinating movement between each other takes tremendous skill. It's just not the same kind of skill that you seem to favor.

When you say 1-3 button pvp, I think you are ignoring a vast number of things. Such as defense through transversal velocity, ranging, ecm, eccm, gate and system tactics and more.

Again, I really think the issue is that EVE most certainly does not do some types of pvp better than other games. But it also offers some things in PvP that literally no other game does, in particular null sec coalition level warfare. It's obtuse to call that pvp "lesser" - its just different with its own areas where it is superior and inferior when it comes to the skill and technique required.

Hate to break it to you but its the same here - ECM, nuets, damps (enchanter crowd control), dps ships (rogue, warrior, wizard), webbing warp bonused ships (ranger / druid snares) and logi (priests / clerics).

Same ****, just different player models.

Edit: Lol we even have the old everquest twitch mechanics with cap transfers. The sad thing is EvE started out without all this garbage and was a better game for it. You had you with your skills and your ship with its attributes. Fighting was about either using those two things to beat your opponent or gettign into groups of pilot + ship and using those individual things together.

Its like playing a flight simulator based on WWII and then the developers sudden putting items out there that allow you to repair another aeroplane in flight with a magic beam, or an item that you can activate to make your wingmans plane faster and suddenly have double the armor, its gamey, rubbish and lazy design and shows how much the developers decided to borrow from EQ, WoW or any of the other fantasy mmorpgs.

It's entirely your choice if you want to pay to play "skill queue online". There is NOTHING stopping you from playing while you train, nothing that is except your own choice. The restrictions on skills for free-to-play toons are necessary to prevent breaking this game. Don't like it? Don't play. It's that simple.

Ah Christ, this has turned into the "lightning rod" thread
Settle in lads , and onwards to page three YEEEEEHA
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