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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-14 11:41:52 UTC
This video keeps popping up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDWU5fmVP0

If somebody could explain what happened?

What did he do good? What did they do wrong?

He was kiting with good tanking?

Videos like this make me hate and love this game!

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Memphis Baas
#2 - 2017-01-14 15:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
It looks like a wormhole trap.

Video starts with him being cloaked and hunting an exploration ship; he waits until they open up the hacking window at the exploration site, and attacks. I forget if the initial target dies, but a lot more ships warp in to attack him.

His setup is double armor repairers, and oversized capacitor recharge modules to provide him cap. stability on the repairers. You can do this with ships that use drones, because if you rely on drones for damage, you don't have to install guns, and so all the power that the guns would have used up for fitting can be re-allocated to oversized defenses.

So basically the attackers have to do A LOT of DPS to break through his armor repair rate.

Anyway, 8 ships incoming, so the does the right thing and overheats everything, which typically gives 20-25% extra performance if you have high skills. His propulsion module gives him quite a bit of speed, but he's moving in a straight line, so basically he's got damage resistance to missiles and drones, and only some damage resistance to guns.

In any case it looks like they don't know what his fittings are, and it looks like they're not organized but rather probably one person calling up everybody to log in and get this guy, because they aren't focused at all.

They first try to do damage to him and can't get through his repair rate. They also make the mistake of trying to get him! get him!, and ignore his drones, which are his only weapon. If they would have killed his drones (and the spares that he has), he would have been disabled. But no, they just try to get him, and in the process they lose a bunch of ships.

So after a while they figure out that he's got double repairers and start applying energy neutralizers to take away his capacitor juice to turn off his repairers. But again, he's got oversized cap recharge modules, so although his capacitor is going down, it's not drained fast enough.

In the mean time he focuses on killing off the ships that are draining him and the ships that are keeping the warp disruption on him, and his propulsion module keeps him away from the bigger ships. I'm guessing that the battleships that he mentions "did nothing" were probably trying to get in range to apply large neutralizers to him, to drain his capacitor once and for all (battleship guns shooting a cruiser would be somewhat useless, so I'm thinking they were trying for energy neutralizing him).

In any case, towards the end they finally ECM-jam him (he can't target anyone), but also either can't keep up with his speed and he gets out of range of the warp disruption, or they forget to re-apply the warp disruption for a bit, so he warps away and cloaks up.

Which means they kill nothing while he managed to get several expensive ships and several pods. Killing pods in a wormhole has the effect of kicking the person back to high-sec or wherever their station is, so now they have to probe out a whole path through wormhole space to get back to their station.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-01-14 16:19:51 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
(Fine infocation/edumation)


I didn't watch the video; I didn't need to. Great job Memphis.
Memphis Baas
#4 - 2017-01-14 16:34:52 UTC
Thank you.

The guy filming the video did everything right, picking the best possible actions given his ship fittings and the enemy situation.

- He overheated everything at first, then turned off the overheating in order to not burn his modules out.
- He used his second armor repairer sparingly, turning it off when his armor was almost full, to conserve critical capacitor energy.
- He recalled and launched light drones and medium drones based on the size of his current target, for best damage.
- He was aligned to a celestial through the entire fight, so he entered warp instantly as soon as they lost their jamming on him.
- He picked the right targets in terms of what was most dangerous to him at the current time.
- He didn't wait for his drones at the end and warped off instantly, saving his ship.

Meanwhile, the enemies were probably the locals who held that particular w-space solar system, based at a POS or citadel. The initial victim probably called for help and they just jumped into whatever ships they had and came in staggered. It also doesn't feel like they had an FC to organize things; they each brought probably their best / nastiest T2 ships, they had neutralizer ships, interdictor, warp scramblers, towards the end even ECM jamming, but completely disorganized.

And every kill that he made only dropped their morale and made them more panicked and more disorganized. That can get really bad if there's no FC to keep things calm. Those podkills at the end really did a number on them; kicked them out of their home base and now they're looking at a pain in the ass trying to find their way back through ever-shifting wormhole connections that they have to probe.
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-01-14 18:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Trasch Taranogas
Oboy. What can you say.

This forum delivers. thanks Memphis Baas.

This is why training is everything in this game.
He stayed cool doin what he knew.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Memphis Baas
#6 - 2017-01-14 22:28:53 UTC
You have to go through a whole bunch of mediocre and some disastrous PVP encounters to learn to behave like that. To stay cool even when your armor gets to almost 0, to pick the right targets under fire, to remember to manage all your modules so you don't burn them out or forget them offline... Wingspan TT is a PVP corporation, as far as I know, they hunt in wormholes all the time.

Meanwhile the opponents jumped into their high-skillpoint Tech 2 ships and lost them, because they probably were wormhole PVE'ers with little PVP experience. Some of them probably had more trained skills than the guy, just no experience how to use their advanced ships properly.

So, I'd say that the video is an example of PVP experience being "everything in this game", not skillpoints. If you sit in station and watch videos and train your skills, when you undock you'll be like those guys that lost their ships, not like this guy.

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-01-15 00:38:10 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
You have to go through a whole bunch of mediocre and some disastrous PVP encounters to learn to behave like that. To stay cool even when your armor gets to almost 0, to pick the right targets under fire, to remember to manage all your modules so you don't burn them out or forget them offline... Wingspan TT is a PVP corporation, as far as I know, they hunt in wormholes all the time.

Meanwhile the opponents jumped into their high-skillpoint Tech 2 ships and lost them, because they probably were wormhole PVE'ers with little PVP experience. Some of them probably had more trained skills than the guy, just no experience how to use their advanced ships properly.

So, I'd say that the video is an example of PVP experience being "everything in this game", not skillpoints. If you sit in station and watch videos and train your skills, when you undock you'll be like those guys that lost their ships, not like this guy.




Sorry. Should have been clearer.

Didnt mean skill training. Actual training, what you call PVP.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#8 - 2017-01-16 10:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Reinhardt Kreiss
Memphis Baas wrote:
The guy filming the video did everything right, picking the best possible actions given his ship fittings and the enemy situation.


Actually he does a lot of things wrong, that Griffin should have been his #1 target right from the start and he mismanaged a lot of stuff throughout the video. Controlling drones with the mouse and wasting time, didn't scram the Stratios.
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-01-16 15:27:16 UTC
Anyway, right or wrong.

Those enemies seemed overwhelming. He actually thinks
he should not have gotten away with it.

That makes me wonder why so incompetent players had
so good (in my noob eyes) ships?

This game is very much like poker. You got to know how to
play different hands, and constantly acknowledge your odds.

Got gatecamped the other day in lo-sec. Didnt even get mad.
It was a conscious travel decision knowing the risks.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.