Player Features and Ideas Discussion

okay. how does it work through a shield?

Right. So lets say this isn't the change AF's need, the things we can agree on is that:

1. AF's should pack a punch
2. AF's need a rework
3. They are currently overshadowed by T3D's

The only way I can see AF's work if there is some sort of unique offensive ability attached to it. I think reworking pre-existing stats will only lead to redundancy and further balance issues.

You know it's funny the more I think about it, maybe it's the T3D's that are the problem. What if you took the idea of having different modes and just applied that idea to AF's, except it would only have one mode "Assault mode." This is where it would gain a brief boost in speed/damage followed by a cooldown that somehow lowers certain ship stats.

And T3D's? Maybe they need a total rework. IMO T3's should be all about customization, and I like what they did with the cruisers. But for destroyers it could be changed to have some sort of swappable core module. This module would be one of four modules that specialize in missiles,lasers,projectiles and hybrid. This would allow you to make a caldari laser boat if you really wanted to. Or something crazy like that.

1a. I am leery to give AFs too much more power than they currently have.
Like I said in my previous post, I see them as "more mobile destroyers." Less punching power, but greater ability to pick and choose engagements and a fair bit tougher.

2a. I am not opposed to a rework on some of the AFs bonuses. Some of them (like the Ishkur) kind of made sense when they were reviewed the first time around... but they don't make much sense now.
And don't sniff at bonuses. Even small changes can have drastic effects here.

3a. Pretty much. I liked some of the presentations that the DEVs gave awhile back regarding where they want to see the "power placement" of ships.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/8742/1/Shiptech_1920.jpg

Unfortunately... the DEVs have not done a very good job at adhering to it.
Right now we have a situation where ships are more like this...
http://imgur.com/a/d51wc

Honestly... if I had my way... I would be "throttling" quite a few ships to make them more generalist (and by default, giving specialized ships more "breathing room" to actually be the "kings" of their particular trades.

But I am sure I would get A LOT of hate for doing that.



I am leery about making things "too unique" as it sets a precedent in future development and makes balancing the ship overall difficult as the "special snowflake" aspect has to be taken into account in the larger scheme of things.

Example 1: Tech 3 Cruisers were the first ship to get the Interdiction Nullification ability.
Then Interceptors got it.
Now there are some people clamoring for shuttles and some hauling ships to get it as well (because it is simply THAT useful).

Example 2: Blockade Runners have the built-in ability to block ship and cargo scanning. Now there are people out there who want that ability made into a module that can fit on any ship.

Example: 3: Black Ops ships have the unique ability to teleport ships and themselves to a covert cyno to a far flung destination without the investment of a Titan.
They also have battleship levels of gank with a fair amount of flexibility (unlike capital ships).

This makes them a potentially powerful "force multiplier" and thus a HUGE threat. As a result, their tank has to be kept nerfed (hard) and they are disallowed from using Covert-Ops cloaks (because it isn't reasonable to have sneaky groups of, what are essentially cloaky battlecruisers with a jump drive, flying around).



This is not to say that unique abilities are "bad." But taking it all has to be taken with a healthy grain of salt.



I am more partial to doing one of two things:

- Bring T3D's base stats down to Tech 1 levels while (slightly) increasing the bonuses for each mode and increasing the "cooldown time" between modes (making them more vulnerable, forcing them to commit to certain tactics for longer periods of time, and reducing "mode shenanigans").

- Keep the T3D stats where they are but swinging the nerfbat HARD on their mode bonuses (so they are more "generalist" ships with small "edge bonuses" that can be changed on the fly).

how so the first was a suggestion on a proccess to take before posting crap and the second pointed out poor ideas and asked a question

Why a citadel free server?

nah t3s should be same as t2 overall but in a different way. they managed this great with logistics.

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you do know there are other systems on that server right?