EVE General Discussion

The same way character bazaar scams are prohibited and enforced. Tell people don't do it.

Margin scams where overpriced buy orders fail, those are okay. Someone did the math and thought they'd get away with something clever. It uses game mechanics.

Docking rights games should be prohibited against characters younger than six months, or perhaps 1 year. So if the hauler character messages the contract owner, they should get their ISK back and have the option of submitting a ticket.

Social engineering scams based in chat text should be prohibited altogether. Those prey on the basic trust people have in others.

Between fifteen new players and one scammer who causes them to leave, I would rather keep the new players and ban the scammer (and all their accounts), perhaps after two offenses. They are one leaky hole in the bucket that hemorrhages players. It is also the type of policy change that over time will improve the reputation that is passed by word of mouth.

You advertise large fleet fights. Infiltrating organizations and taking their stuff. You don't advertise tricking new players who don't know what's going on because it's wrong.

That's feasible if you simply say scams aren't allowed. That's not feasible if you say these people can be scammed and these ones can't.

Unless you want to introduce a system for players to open tickets and say 'I bought a publicly available deal, but now realise I shouldn't have, I need ccp to intervene and give me back my isk'.



I completely disagree. A player should be able to look at the details of a public contract or market order and expect that the advertised exchange will happen if they accept the order/contract.



I'd prefer to lose the scammers, too. But in most cases, the victims are only victims because they were greedy. Because they were stupid. You give isk to someone expecting them to give you back double, you accept an item exchange contract because you think you're ripping off the other person, I've got very little sympathy. And once you start banning scams, you get the issue of how you draw the line between scam and simply overpriced item. You get the issue of all the extra effort required to police it. And the only benefit is you let greedy people make a costly mistake and have it not count, if they are new. Which I don't see as much of a benefit. Do you do the same for other expensive new player mistakes? Earn first 25 million isk, spend 22 million on a new cruiser, promptly lose it by jumping into low for the first time and straight into a gatecamp? I've got more sympathy for those players than I do for someone who paid 22 million for a vexor hull because they thought they were getting a cheap vexor navy issue.

Making a certain class of players immune to scams by decree is not practical, and not a good idea anyway. Either outright ban the public advertising of various scams, or accept that anyone who falls for one learns an expensive lesson as a result of their own greed. Trying to have a middle ground of isk-doubling scams are allowed, hauling scams are allowed, quitting the game sale scams are allowed, but if it's a newer player that falls for it you have to give them back their money, that's silly.

What I have seen is that CCP selling point of this game is you can scam and be a thief. And that is what makes it different from many other MMO games, so they are not eager to give it up.
Also they give you freedom to scam back the guy who scammed you. So its not so unfair as it seems.

Also LOL at wanting 500 M isk back from CCP or else he would not play. Even if you would get that back, you will lose it again and again, maybe not to scams, but you will. Will you beg CCP for every 1M ISK you lost in the game or only past 500M margin loses, "because it was unfair game mechanics"?

And why would you give 1/10 for PvP? I only licked it few times and have a lot better impressions as an entitled carebear. There is so much depth to it in all directions and I see you dont even managed to notice you are bad at engaging right targets. I have not seen a fair PvP in any game to date. You always have to deal with what others prepare for you, and you may be sure they will make every effort to have as much advantage over you as they can.

EVE doesn't always go your way and unless you put in active effort to learn and MAKE it go your way then it'll probably go someone else's way. This is the basis of EVE be it in trading, PVP, production, scamming and whatnot. If you can't deal with this basic "rule" then EVE is not for you which is fine of course. If you can deal with it as long as it IS going your way but go mental when it doesn't, you're just a sore loser.

I would agree with you if there was a way to separate the Margin Trading skill from this scam, but there isn't. You could check to see if market orders can be filled and then cancel them, but even that can be manipulated after the corresponding sell order for the scam.


ISK doubling scammers should be required to put their scam in contracts. The scams where it's you typing promises to someone, that's just lying. It's not gameplay, it's just a chat window inside the game. The point of the character age requirement is giving them fair time to find out about scams or be warned.

I don't have the motivation to help you out and explain why your logic is bad.

Going negative could work, but you could also dispose of the character.

There are cases like courier contracts where you can't tell whether the value of the item is worthwhile, or whether you can dock at the destination. Did you see the explanation about the workaround to docking rights? Get someone with docking rights to put the items in the citadel, as if it's impossible to run your own one-person citadel.

No I don't have the energy to unravel your ball of fallacies with a helping of analogies on top.

Yet you claim fallacies and false logic. That should be easy to prove wrong. You got nothing.