Ships & Modules

Rank by kills on Eve Kill for month of December



Rank

Ship

Kills



1

Drake

146484



2

Maelstrom

104528



3

Hurricane

95847



4

Abaddon

57580



5

Tengu

40461



6

Tornado

33809



7

Armageddon

28081



8

Tempest

26204



9

Scimitar

25815



10

Sabre

21159



11

Cynabal

18523



12

Huginn

18015



13

Hound

16332



14

Thrasher

16199



15

Vagabond

15963



16

Rapier

15059



17

Loki

14177



18

Rifter

14073



19

Zealot

13786



20

Rokh

13604

As you can see Gallente have actually got worse on the killboards after the buff.

NOT 1 SHIP IN THE TOP 20! i bet any of the ships in top 5 have more kills then all of the gallente ships combined.

all the races would still retain the benefits of their specific turret systems

Hybrids - most dps worst range for blasters and vice versa for rails

Projectiles - No cap useage

Lasers - dont have to reload as much and have more cargo space

[quote=Large Collidable Object]No - whilst there is dire need for balancing, equalizing all turrets will take away flavour and render them undistinguishable from each other.

EMP, Fusion PP and Hail need to be nerfed by cutting their base DPS by ~ 10-15% and increasing their fitting requirements by 5-10 %. It remains to be seen if that's enough or not - after observing the effect for a few months and Minmatar dominance is not effectively hampered, TE fallof bonus needs to be nerfed. This way, arties and ACs would keep their flavour without being as OP as they're now.

Rather than buffing gallente ships, armor rig penalties need to be looked at. Caldari Hybrid boats are primarily rail boats - they may need a little speed boost to kite more effectively, but not much.[/quote


your changes would have pretty much the same effect as mine man lol. your just changing diffrent modules and making it more complicated

and the turrets would be far from equalized with my changes ... they would be BALANCED not equalized

the flavors would remain the same the only thing that is being equalized is selectable damage types for ammo. which to be honest should have been done for everyone not just minmatar.... give me 1 good reason why minmatar should have it and noone else ...... that what i thought .... everyone pretty much omni tanks for pvp anyway ... so you would just change ammo to EM for fighting shield boats and explosive for armor boats and im sure the drake would still mostly use kinetic ect ect ...

if anything it would create MORE flavor ... in no way whatsoever would it lessen the flavor of each races turrets.

Besides if you call flavor everyone flying in minmatar ships then i think you need to get your taste buds checked bro

The reson Artillery is so heavily used right now is that the DRF (Big Maelstrom Users) are in civil war. Those are not 100000 Kills but 100000 Maelstroms on kill Mails. Each kill that they get has 50+ Maels on it. Smaller Gang Ships that kill in small numbers don't appear because there are only 2-3 on each mail.

As for your fix do you really think Arty is the reason Beams and Rails see little fleet action. You think Selectable Dmg Types are the reason they are not used. It is Scorch... EM Dealing Scorch that hits to fleet range Scorch. It is a higher tracking DPS Pump that can hit as far as it needs to for great dmg and melt face at closer range. That Alpha you want to get rid of is what keeps Artillery in the game, not what keeps beams and rails out.

Finally it is not Artillery that is keeping Gallente out of large fleets and incidentally the Top 20. Abbadons have close range weapons that hit to fleet ranges and resists bonuses that help Logi Rep them. Maels have there Alpha and the High Resists of 4 Active Hardeners with Lows full of Gank and Range. What does Gallente have, Mega short on CPU as it is for Rails, the Hyperion has 6 Lows to manage Gank and Tank and the Domi is a sitting duck with Sentries and Heavies are too slow for fleets. Gallente dos not have a viable Fleet Battleship, buffing Scorch and Nerfing Artillery is not going to help that.

At most your suggestion will make the Rokh viable the Maelstrom useless and the Abbadon king of Fleet Warfare.

Ahh ok its just the biggest nullsec coaltion uses these ships as there mainstay and thats messing up the numbers ... ya mmhmm and what about the 15 other minmatar ships in the top 20?

WRONG AGAIN

even with changes arties will still be the most used and will be far from useless ... HOW WOULD THEY BE USELESS? they still got highest alpha in the game and same DPS ....

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Artillery is the sniper fleet weapon of choice by far they got TWICE the kills of the Amarr lasers this month alone not to mention this whole year. to even try to justify them as being almost underpowered is ridiculously ignorant. LOOK AT THE STATS

here let me SCREAM parts of my POST so that it gets THROUGH.

What turrets need is a mitigation factor similar to the Damage Reduction Factor / Damage Reduction Sensitivity pair we have in missiles.

We need some mechanism that allows us to apply a non-linear effectiveness curve on, say, tracking to make some turrets immensely better at tracking targets of the right size without actually becoming any better at tracking smaller (or, for extra fun, larger) targets as a result of that tracking change.

This would allow for a different avenue of differentiation and effectiveness scaling which opens up for a lot more role separation between different turret types. Right now, all we really have to play with is more/less DPS vs. Alpha; more/less Optimal vs. Falloff. Tracking is certainly an on-the-paper differentiator, but in order for larger turrets not to be too effective against small targets, that differentiator has to be left small, to the point where you gain far better tracking benefits by using longer range. Something more is needed to let that attribute stand out more without causing unwanted side-effects.

well you just basically defined how gallente got no place in nullsec warfare and everyone is using minmatar ships cause they compliment each other so well and overshadow anything gallente can put out there .... am i right? ... thats needs to be changed ... all races ships should be equally viable .... more balance is needed. and the change to arties i proposed is not a nerf as their dps will remain the same and they still have highest alpha by a long shot. will it make rails more viable? absolutely .... would that mean people would use them in fleets? SADLY probably still not use rails =(

Sounds to me like the problem lies in the individual ships, rather than their weapon systems.

Abaddons and maelstroms have been the mainstay for a while now, with rohks joining in only recently (but i hear to good effect). Gallente just lacks a good fleet ship, which is why hybrids are still under-represented.

No. Arty sucks at ranges over 150km. Fix on grid probing. Arty dominance will diminish.