EVE General Discussion

well. in my corp i have roles needed to control POCO. ;)

it's nice to pay 0/0 taxes when i need

POCOs do not get blown up much in low sec because hanging your arse out for any alliance with supers or mass triage carriers ends in tears.

Well I have no idea about their effect on low sec PI but they have been very succesful at encouraging fights. We've been on more major fleets to scrap over these things in the last three weeks than everything else combined.

I think CCP did a great job- i immediately ignored all of the usual 'sky is falling ussual bullshit' from some of the player-base in relation to the how vulnerable the poco's are. They add a sense of ownership/ influence in the lowsec systems.

I do believe that CCP should make all highsec planets unable to manufacture PI above tier 1 stuff and i would not be surprised if they did do that- but for anyone who lives in lowsec i'm sure they would agree that they have made a change -albeit a small one to lowsec.

Money can be made in poco's. The smartypants in lowsecs can make lots and lots of isk on the o.o% tax in lowsec- if they know what they are doing. In relation to them coming under attack, If i was in a large nullsec alliance- i wouldn't really care about them- especially since lowsec is dead atm- and there are plenty of planets to go around.

CCP have made a very nice niche imo- and I have no sympathey for the highsec manufacturers who can no longer have manufacturing planets because of the tax- or at least its hardly worthwile for them anymore.


The smart highsec may even consider the benfits of finding a small quiet lowsec to put up poco's and continue to make money- but yes a medium sized corp is needed- i think i killed 3 dreads trying to solo them in lowsec- the first week crucible came out.

Taking the question of how long it will take to make returns on the investment of sticking up poco's- well it will take a long time in taxes- but due to the small market spike in some p2/ p3 products i've made up with it through regular pi stuff

tldr: yes pocos are beneficial- better than good.

They are a long(ish) term investment, similar to a POS. For most moderately populated planets, they will pay themselves off in about 2 months (not counting your own usage). If you use your own POCOs, your return on investment will be much faster.

Even better if you are lucky enough to have plenty of factory colonies on your planet, you could stand to make a considerable amount of ISK off of your POCO, even with a 5% tax.

Of course, an unused POCO will never pay itself off, and if you pick an infrequently used planet to set up a POCO for, you will find that it will take a looooonnnnggg time to pay it off.

Confirming that the new POCOs have succeeded in:

Making money for those who use them intelligently
Losing money for those who do not
Encouraging more players to come to low sec
Encouraging more fights in low sec
Getting me a TON of capital kills

Get the right planets, Lava, plasma, Barren in a 0.1-0.3 you can make easy profit.

I have lost 1 CO so far.

What i have seen, no one has the balls to stay for fights on a CO.

Good then its working as intended.

And from reports it does seem they are working as intended as points of PVP interest now. CCP you rock!



My main has perfect PI skills (Both certs to l33t) And I am currently in hisec.

I don't even bother with PI anymore. Because I know that for too long has it become an epic easy source of funds to hisec users. When I was training it in nullsec I had to make extremely quick runs in an expensive fit hauler in case a neut came in and had my number. Hisec folks could do it in a primae and sit on it for hours without much worry.

It is working as intended. Whenever I choose to go back into nullsec the corp that I join will get a BUNCH of PI which will help them in the long run.

All I've seen is a lot of wasted time doing the same boring ****** that POS bashes entail. Total bust in 0.0.

Because lately many WH dwellers have gotten this thing going that anything that can remotely affect their means of free kills or extreme easy money. And are starting to really try to push WH style mechanics on the rest of EVE.

For instance I proposed a balancing solution (I wont go into details here for now) for AFK cloaking that involved on grid timing for potential for detection. At once I was accused of trying to break their "'hole" and that suddenly because they are in a WH they need to be able to be logged in all day to get their kill.

You can debate my idea all you want but that isnt the half of it. In response a WH themed idea was posted to push WH mechanics on normal space by allowing cloakers to VANISH FROM LOCAL

The "solution" to them is not even slightly nerfing their endless waterfall of cash and easy kills. But nerf the rest of the game in benefit of super large alliances and gankers.

Working as intended means pushing back against this madness and say "No" to them for once. "No you cant keep your waterfall of PI for free simply because you are in a WH" They get to experience risk to an important fund asset like the rest of EVE now.