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Ore Hauler - For Alphas
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Lord Seriphim
Blood Raider Clan
Blood Raider Associates
#1 - 2017-01-05 14:03:16 UTC
Gallente have the Miasmos
Amarr, Caldari and Minmitar dont get one , with Alpha play can you please either add one to each race or create a Ore faction one that alphas can fly thats the same as the miasmos

thankyou
blargderp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-01-05 15:23:50 UTC
last I checked alpha clones only got their faction's indy up to level one, so the gap between the miasmos and any other alpha accessible indy with cargo expanders isn't all that huge. I agree that it does provide another advantage to gallente alphas though. none of this would be a problem if the racial restrictions were lifted however.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2017-01-05 16:27:59 UTC
The specialized haulers do give Gallente an advantage and I expect CCP to adjust the balance over the winter. The easiest solution would be to move Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder to Ore and give Alphas the ability to train Ore industrial level 1 - would also unlock Noctis and the salvaging profession. I don't think that would be a problem.
Shu t'Me
#4 - 2017-01-05 17:55:17 UTC
So make a Gallente alpha character.

Or, pay the subscription.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#5 - 2017-01-05 18:40:55 UTC
Hopeful CCP will do something about this soon(tm)

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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-01-05 19:36:33 UTC
Do Little wrote:
The specialized haulers do give Gallente an advantage and I expect CCP to adjust the balance over the winter. The easiest solution would be to move Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder to Ore and give Alphas the ability to train Ore industrial level 1 - would also unlock Noctis and the salvaging profession. I don't think that would be a problem.

The Hoarder doesn't really seem to be the style of ORE, but I agree with the rest. Alpha clones could clean the space after l4 security missions, I don't think too many omegas would mind this.

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blargderp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-01-05 19:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: blargderp
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Do Little wrote:
The specialized haulers do give Gallente an advantage and I expect CCP to adjust the balance over the winter. The easiest solution would be to move Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder to Ore and give Alphas the ability to train Ore industrial level 1 - would also unlock Noctis and the salvaging profession. I don't think that would be a problem.

The Hoarder doesn't really seem to be the style of ORE, but I agree with the rest. Alpha clones could clean the space after l4 security missions, I don't think too many omegas would mind this.


I personally would not want alphas scanning me down and stealing my salvage before I can get to it, then again they would get CONCORDed if they tried to tractor any of my wrecks and salvaging in a noctis without tractor beams is a pretty silly thing to do.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2017-01-05 19:45:00 UTC
Back in my day, you'd bolt a bunch of salvagers onto a destroyer to clean up a mission. Why can an alpha not do this? Why do you need a noctis to salvage anything?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2017-01-05 20:15:38 UTC
Then make a gal alpha then problem solved. Compressing it off a citadel also works fine

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-01-05 20:48:32 UTC
blargderp wrote:
last I checked alpha clones only got their faction's indy up to level one, so the gap between the miasmos and any other alpha accessible indy with cargo expanders isn't all that huge. I agree that it does provide another advantage to gallente alphas though. none of this would be a problem if the racial restrictions were lifted however.

That's a 20-30k different though. A bestower only gets up to like 15k-20k if you fill all the low slots with expanders.
Gallente gets double the ore hold without sacrificing any speed.
As far as ore hauling goes that's a massive difference. 100% more ore per trip.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-01-05 20:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
That said i don't want all the races to be identical. I hate the state of cruisers and frigates. They're all exactly the same across the races. I liked it better the way it used to be pre tiericide, when each ship just sort of did it's own thing. And it wasn't just a copy pasted logi ship, or ewarfare ship, or drone ship. The races have lost a little bit of individuality cause. I dont want each race to have 5 industrials that do the same thing.

Make new bonuses for the other races like salvaging/tractoring, or super tanking with small cargo, having fast align times and acceleration with a larger unspecialized cargo holds.

You could give minmatar the speed one, amarr or caldari get a super tanked hard to kill industrial for risky transports. High warp core strength, armor or shield resistances bonuses stuff like that. And whoever's left over can get big salvaging bonuses since alphas dont have a noctis.

None of the racial industrials have the design to fit in with ore except maybe the badger and that's being very liberal. They need to stay racial.
If anything give caldari and amarr an extra new industrial with some use to round out the disparity between the minmatars 3 and gallentes 5, they should not all become ore ships and if no new industrials or bonuses are added they should be given something else. Like give one access to more skills, one access to mining barges or battlecruisers. Then you can have an alpha industrial race for mining/production, an alpha combat race, a shipping race with the gallente industrials
blargderp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-01-05 21:12:15 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
blargderp wrote:
last I checked alpha clones only got their faction's indy up to level one, so the gap between the miasmos and any other alpha accessible indy with cargo expanders isn't all that huge. I agree that it does provide another advantage to gallente alphas though. none of this would be a problem if the racial restrictions were lifted however.

That's a 20-30k different though. A bestower only gets up to like 15k-20k if you fill all the low slots with expanders.
Gallente gets double the ore hold without sacrificing any speed.
As far as ore hauling goes that's a massive difference. 100% more ore per trip.


with expanders and rigs a bestower can hold over 32km3. the miasmos at lvl1 holds 46.2km3. that's an approximate 44% (let's say 50% if you count the cargo hold with expanders and rigs as well) difference, which, while still significant, is a far cry from double capacity. if you're using an indy to scoop jet cans full of ore then you only need 27.5km3, as that is the maximum capacity of a jet can. if you're planning on hauling the ore itself you're better off reprocessing it and moving the processed materials (which are much smaller) in a standard indy with expander mods and rigs or simply selling the ore locally in system.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-01-05 22:44:33 UTC
What if we would simply remove 2 of gallente's 3 special industrials and give them to amarr and caldari? Each race will have 3, and each is specialized differently. Or even put in the ammo hauler too, and redistribute them all.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-01-05 22:56:33 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
What if we would simply remove 2 of gallente's 3 special industrials and give them to amarr and caldari? Each race will have 3, and each is specialized differently. Or even put in the ammo hauler too, and redistribute them all.

Why? Gallente used to have 5 industrial ships, the other races didn't. Lore wise it makes no sense to, and from a business prospective it makes no sense.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2017-01-05 23:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
blargderp wrote:
I personally would not want alphas scanning me down and stealing my salvage before I can get to it, then again they would get CONCORDed if they tried to tractor any of my wrecks and salvaging in a noctis without tractor beams is a pretty silly thing to do.
You can only tractor your own or abandoned wrecks; IIRC the module won't even activate on somebody else's wreck.

Danika Princip wrote:
Back in my day, you'd bolt a bunch of salvagers onto a destroyer to clean up a mission. Why can an alpha not do this? Why do you need a noctis to salvage anything?
I still do, a MWD destroyer does the job admirably; my Noctis hasn't undocked in years

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2017-01-06 00:00:38 UTC
blargderp wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
blargderp wrote:
last I checked alpha clones only got their faction's indy up to level one, so the gap between the miasmos and any other alpha accessible indy with cargo expanders isn't all that huge. I agree that it does provide another advantage to gallente alphas though. none of this would be a problem if the racial restrictions were lifted however.

That's a 20-30k different though. A bestower only gets up to like 15k-20k if you fill all the low slots with expanders.
Gallente gets double the ore hold without sacrificing any speed.
As far as ore hauling goes that's a massive difference. 100% more ore per trip.


with expanders and rigs a bestower can hold over 32km3. the miasmos at lvl1 holds 46.2km3. that's an approximate 44% (let's say 50% if you count the cargo hold with expanders and rigs as well) difference, which, while still significant, is a far cry from double capacity. if you're using an indy to scoop jet cans full of ore then you only need 27.5km3, as that is the maximum capacity of a jet can. if you're planning on hauling the ore itself you're better off reprocessing it and moving the processed materials (which are much smaller) in a standard indy with expander mods and rigs or simply selling the ore locally in system.


The trouble is a miasmos can haul the most ore in a fast AND tanky fit. No other hauler can get even close to the power of a miasmos.

Alphas are just another reason specialised haulers are ******.

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Tordar Ohmiras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-01-06 13:09:23 UTC
Lord Seriphim wrote:
Gallente have the Miasmos
Amarr, Caldari and Minmitar dont get one , with Alpha play can you please either add one to each race or create a Ore faction one that alphas can fly thats the same as the miasmos

thankyou


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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#18 - 2017-01-06 18:42:04 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
blargderp wrote:
last I checked alpha clones only got their faction's indy up to level one, so the gap between the miasmos and any other alpha accessible indy with cargo expanders isn't all that huge. I agree that it does provide another advantage to gallente alphas though. none of this would be a problem if the racial restrictions were lifted however.

That's a 20-30k different though. A bestower only gets up to like 15k-20k if you fill all the low slots with expanders.
Gallente gets double the ore hold without sacrificing any speed.
As far as ore hauling goes that's a massive difference. 100% more ore per trip.


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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2017-01-07 02:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I have a better idea: don't let alphas fly the Miasmos, Kryos, or Epithal. What do they need the Epithal for, anyway?

Edit: that would also mean don't let the Minmatar alphas fly the Hoarder.

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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-01-07 21:01:49 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I have a better idea: don't let alphas fly the Miasmos, Kryos, or Epithal. What do they need the Epithal for, anyway?

Edit: that would also mean don't let the Minmatar alphas fly the Hoarder.

Make them all ORE industrials then and leave the alphas with the basic haulers?
I wouldn't mind this change, and it would make sense lore-wise too - I think.

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