EVE General Discussion

sot of , they're easy enough to just stand on though

Pretty much spot on - the limitations make it tough to really take advantage of multiple characters effectively. Maybe it's a problem sometimes but anyone with decent drones should chew through most alphas no problem

Alphas are like the bug splats on your car's windshield

From the wikipedia page for 'Griefer'

'Space sims like Eve Online and Elite: Dangerous have incorporated activities typically considered griefing as part of the gameplay mechanism. Corporate spying, theft, scams, gate-camping, and PVP on non-PVP players are all part of their gaming experience.'


Basically, if it's not an act that breaks the TOS agreement for gameplay, it's generally not griefing. Tired of that word being thrown around so casually to describe anything that causes buttrash.

*mic drop*

CCP is pretty harsh when it comes to players they consider to be 'griefing'. Bad things happen to them.

Unfortunately many people come here with the idea that 'griefing' means the same thing here as it does in other games.

It doesn't, plain and simple.

Great strides have been taken over the years to improve the new player experience.
It is currently leap years ahead of what it used to be.
Not kidding, they have made certain systems off limits for nogoodery that targets new players. Nobody is claiming this is a bad thing, either.
Many of the older pilots remember just how godawful it was to start fresh in EVE back in the bad old days.

Now, what happens after one leaves the nest and strikes out on their own is subject to the vagaries of fate. Bad things happen in New Eden, even to good people. Even to new people. Ganking, theft, scamming and goading into a losing battle are all fair play here, even though in other games they most likely would be considered 'griefing'.
Here they are not.

A counter-observation: many of the characters I've encountered in this game who are bloodthirsty pirates, mercenaries, thieves and gankers have, after actually speaking with them, turned out to be pretty decent folks who are just playing the bad guy in the game because it actually lets them for once unlike other games.

I'm not going to tell new players to go back to WoW. Hell, I want them to stay. But, I want them to learn what they are dealing with in all it's magnificent ugly glory and decide for themselves.

They need to understand this world and adapt to live in it, not the other way around.

Nullsec and griefing.. huh. I think CCP's stance is that if you live off nullsec, then you're one of the more battle hardened gamers that could brave on out there. And here you're talking about griefing from alphas? *tilts head sideways* Really?

Even miners being 'griefed' in hisec are supposed to 'move out into another place' before CCP would take action..

I..don't even...

But I suppose, you guys don't care about the consequence of your decision to undock? Do you think undocking wouldn't have any consequences in this game?

This point, that assets are destructible and actions have consequences, is the very reason why many people actually enjoy EvE and why it's such a unique game compared to others. The player-driven market would not function without assets leaving the economy and driving demand.

If you don't like people who "grief", then create an alliance that has the goal of fighting these types wherever they go. Try to uphold law and order in New Eden. If you people actually did this, opposed to running to the forums to whine, it would be much more in the spirit of a sandbox game.

Anyway, I'm derailing myself. Just know, that as such we don't have anything opposed to people who don't like to PvP. What we don't like are people running to the forums spouting BS, which basically can be boiled down to "Buhuhu... Someone killed my space pixels. I don't want to lose my space pixels. MAMA SEAGULL! Chris killed my space pixels! Make him stop!"

OP lost some nullsec space. Either he builds up a better alliance and fights back or he just have to accept, that nullsec is not the place for him, unless he rents space or somehow figures out to live there with no ability to actually take it.

Alpha clones are a problem. They keep picking up all the good women at the bar with their pickup lines. Why do they just have to do that all of the time? Damned alphas.

If you read the first reply to my post you'll have seen why I didn't take the trouble to carefully define "griefing".

The first thing an expert on self-justification does with an exact definition is to search Google for a definition that suits them better, and you're instantly involved in a stupid "dictionary war" which is a moderately effective way to derail a topic. I don't do that.

Fun-vampires know who they are. Their victims know who the vampires are, and why they act as they do.

The facilitators (EVE players who've bought in to the vampires' rationalizations) don't need a definition (still less a dictionary war) to be able to reconsider their position.