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It would seem it will be applied to a great deal more than just that 1 NPC corp.

Nope.

Also, up yours for the attitude.
If you had not been such a **** about this I would have already provided it to you, gratis.

Either pay me, or do your own due diligence.

As I said, I have the linked EVE Dev post from this thread which states the number of NPC Corps to which this likely will apply right infront of me.

I dont care whether you believe me or not.

You can either pay me, or look harder.

Id have given it to you for free had you not been such an insufferable **** about it.
Im under no obligation to provide you with anything.

Or you could just share the link and highlight the part that proves your point, so other people who want to join the discussion don't need to go searching first, and perhaps actually be helpfull.

Dev Post



In other words, so far the only NPC corps mentioned are the few mining corporations and pirate factions. There are no mentions of any other NPC corporations receiving similar fleets, at least not in that post.

There is however the implication in the first lines that this is only the first step, which knowing CCP however, is in no way a confirmation that this will apply to all NPC's corps or that it means that is strictly about mining fleets.

You are wrong. There is no evidence to support your claim that it will be extended to other NPC Corps, aside from pirate corporations, which are already also partly implemented on SiSi now.

I provided that link originally, back on page 6, so I am very familiar with it.

But I'll see what Larrikin has to say anyway because I'd rather be in a position to be correct and helpful to others that ask the same thing in future, rather than make up stuff that isn't supported by anything CCP has said.

CCP have said they have bigger plans in relation to the new AI, including NPCs manufacturing ships in their own ship yards, but we have no additional details on who that will apply to or what other plans they have. They certainly haven't stated that mining fleets will be extended to include other empire based NPC Corps. I am fairly sure that if Larrikin responds, he won't rule it out, but at this point we certainly have nothing to go claiming that is CCP's plan.

Yes. Those 12 are implemented already. This claim:

Its in the pipeline that this will be applied to many more NPC corps, as well as Pirate corps (possibly differently).

Has nothing to support the first half of it. When asked simply where that was coming from, because I can totally miss things, you continued to claim there is evidence to support it and you were directly looking at it. You weren't.

Heh, so it would seem at least 12 NPC corps are being upgraded. It should make PVE and PVP a bit more interesting. I'm in.

No. I responded to a concern that there is only 1 currently ingame.
I told that poster there are more in the pipeline.

The NPC corp systems on SiSi are not yet ingame, proper.

You then got stuck on that and asked where I have that information.
The source is the same as yours.

Instead of politely asking for a source, you presumed to demand one.
When I refused, you started insulting and aspersions.

A) You interjected yourself into a running discussion without understanding its context.
B) You started demanding things.
C) Nowhere have I been wrong, or lied, despite your repeated accusations of that.

In future, if you wish someone to provide you with anything, request it respectfully.
Also read the context of that which you are involving yourself in.

Pretty much this^

If I attack NPC miners I lose standings. OK, no different from attacking any other NPC then.

If I attack a player in low sec I **** off that player. OK, that player now reships and hunts me down for some payback.
Or...
That player wardecs me (because I'm not in an NPC corp) and hunts me, and my friends down with his/ her friends, for some payback.
Or...
That player pays some mercs to wardec/ suicide gank me/ my friends for some payback.

Or..
That player was in an NPC corp that has active mining response fleets, and the NPCs now "decide" that I am KOS anywhere where there might be those fleets active, and those NPC fleets blow me up if I'm in a ship that can't solo them simply because they spawned while I was in the middle of a fight with an unrelated player somewhere else.

Maybe I've just been playing too long, but one of these options just strikes me as un-Eve like.
I remember the days where if you annoyed the wrong people you dealt with the consequences of having mercs hound the **** out of you for as long as the aggrieved party could afford to pay them. This was Eve consequences.
There was also the possibility that the aggrieved party would "shadow" you with an alt, learn your routine (if you had one) then lay a trap to pay you back.
That is the Eve I signed up for. It's the Eve that I love.

If standings really are going to matter in this way IN LOW SEC, then is there any chance of a full standings reset to any standings that have been effected through PvP (not including sec status naturally)?
This is a new mechanic, but the standings I have are the result of 10 years of playing without this mechanic.

One quick question to anyone who is reading this who does not regularly operate in Lowsec...would this mechanism, of itself, provide enough incentive for you to start operating in lowsec on a regular basis?

Another quick question to those who do operate in lowsec on a regular basis...would this mechanism, of itself, dissuade you from attacking those players who are members of DCM?

I for one will perhaps be a little more careful about the engagements I initiate. Obviously, I'm not happy about this, but it is what it is.

I do feel I should be allowed to defend myself against those members of DCM who initiate combat against me without a standing loss though...or at the very least, cause those players themselves to lose standing against their own (non-aggresive) NPC corp for acting like pirates while flying under the flag of DCM.
They are flying false colours after all, and that is something that is traditionally frowned upon by pretty much every nation.

Thanks for the correction, post edited with the correct abbreviation. For some reason I have a problem with that abbreviation, keep getting it wrong.