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Station-Bookmarks doesn't work from time to time
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Erin McCorman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-12-28 23:46:38 UTC
Hi,

sometimes, when I finished a Mission and want to use a prepared bookmark to warp to a station with a distance of "0" the
bookmark doesn't work and when ship comes out of warp, there is a distance for example for more than 1000m between the ship and the station.

1. Have other players the same problem?
2. Is the reason for that known?
Rumours told me that the stations are moving, is that true?
Are there any patch notes where this is written?

Many thanks.

Erin McCorman
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2016-12-29 00:32:00 UTC
You are playing with two factors. The "play" or variation in where you land in relation to your warp target and the stations docking ring, aka "0".

When you warp to "0" on anything there is a 2500m variance of the exact point you will land. Ultimately it is a 5km bubble surrounding your target point. This is also why when you jump in to a cyno you get the same effect. Gate spawning upon jump is a greater distance but the same general mechanic afaik.

The station docking ring is a set bubble around the actual station center, as measured from the center which is denoted by the exact point the actual station name and targeting square appears, that is many kms in diameter. So when you warp to "0" on a station you are actually warping to the edge of this bubble, you then factor in the first part of the warp target variance and you can land as much as 2500m AWAY from the edge of this docking ring bubble. Other wise known as "landing short."

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-12-29 01:02:07 UTC
I like the possibility that stations were moved while you weren't looking

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Izchadie
M.S.Gundam
Ore No More
#4 - 2016-12-29 01:19:51 UTC
That is why you make a bookmark deep inside the bubble to be sure you land to 0. Not too deep though Big smile You don't want to bump off the station.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#5 - 2016-12-29 01:46:09 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I like the possibility that stations were moved while you weren't looking

Oh hawt dang you almost made coffee go all over the monitor and keyboard on that one!!Lol Instead I almost swallowed it down my breathing tube. Either way you get a like.

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Erin McCorman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-12-29 22:58:53 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
You are playing with two factors. The "play" or variation in where you land in relation to your warp target and the stations docking ring, aka "0".

When you warp to "0" on anything there is a 2500m variance of the exact point you will land. Ultimately it is a 5km bubble surrounding your target point. This is also why when you jump in to a cyno you get the same effect. Gate spawning upon jump is a greater distance but the same general mechanic afaik.

The station docking ring is a set bubble around the actual station center, as measured from the center which is denoted by the exact point the actual station name and targeting square appears, that is many kms in diameter. So when you warp to "0" on a station you are actually warping to the edge of this bubble, you then factor in the first part of the warp target variance and you can land as much as 2500m AWAY from the edge of this docking ring bubble. Other wise known as "landing short."

Make sense now?Blink


Basically yes, thanks for the explanation so far. But I do not understand why the bookmarks I made long time ago worked for severaly years. I always was able to dock immediately after warping to "0" at the station, but since some months ago it doesn't work any longer.

Another point is that I'm not sure if I understood you fully. I tried to make new bookmarks, as near to the station as possible.
But again it doesn't work, due to your explanation maybe logically it shouldn't.
But does that mean, that there is always a chance that a bookmark doesn't work in the sense of docking immediately after getting out of warp?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2016-12-29 23:05:38 UTC
it is possible that with citadel and the docking ring visuals that the old docking bubbles got slightly changed to accommodate the new visuals?

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-12-30 02:01:37 UTC
i have numerous bookmarks made inside docking rings to instadock.
The one in Stacmon has never changed, but sometimes i get the camera tilted sideways looking at nothing bug there after undock until session change.
A few jumps away, in Alentene, instadock bookmark seems to get reset to zero on station, forcing that silly approach to docking perimeter troll. In the same system at another station, instadock bookmark stays where it is, meters from the undock.

Seems random OP, i have seen instadocks turn into zero at station though, so you aren't mistaken or crazed.


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