Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again with the assumptions that everyone living in a populated area has fast internet because you do.
I live about 40 miles outside a major west coast city and for various "technical" reasons the latency in my area is so bad that I essentially I play EvE on a 2 second server tick because that is the best my internet connection will allow. If you are interested I can give you all the details of why as it was explained to me by the phone company, cell phone companies and the cable companies in teh mean time I will not waste the forum space sine you likely do not care.

I really liked Black Pedro's first idea when he first posted it, God knows how long ago. To be honest, I still like it, because it shakes up the meta so violently.

Mechanically, it's fine. It switches the existing form of bump tackle to a more conventional warp disruptor. The issue starts to arise when you consider the impact on the meta.

The vast, vast majority of freighter ganks occur in Uedama and Niarja. If freighter ganking were to occur as before, you can guarantee antigankers would camp the gates to Hades. Being able to pick off a tackler with literally any number of any ships you want is a pretty damn big advantage. To be honest, I quite like it as it encourages the carebears to gang up on the big meanie gankers.

The downside to this is that it would force a reaction from the gankers. Simple prime-time frieghter ganks in the choke-point systems just wouldn't be viable owing to defensive resistance. So gankers residing in Uedama, for example, would instead start targeting a much larger portion of the Jita <-> Dodixie trade pipe. They could also potentially start more freighter ganking activities elsewhere, forcing antigankers to be much more active in their pursuits. This of course leads to defensive forces being spread thin and potentially being overwhelmed. Also a pretty exciting scenario IMO.

The primary trade routes would have plenty of antigankers/pvpers/hopefuls helping keep the area gank free, while lesser frequented areas of space wouldn't be as profitable for gankers - unless they laid bait contracts.

The sheer potential for new play and counterplay options for freighter pilots, their escorts and antigankers is huge and I'm really quite surprised CCP haven't made any visible steps to implementing it.

edit: I suppose in other words, it's a MASSIVE nerf to freighter ganking in its current form, forcing gankers to change tac, but a new meta would quickly be established. What's not to like?

No matter your internet speed its fast enough to get the commands in to get the freighter into warp long before anyone can get their bumping ships up to speed.

Thank you.

How bizarre too. My last thread on risk and freighter ganking was turning into a thread on bumping. This thread on possible alternatives to freighter bumping keeps wanting to become a thread on risk and freighter ganking.

And...not that surprised, but none of the usual suspects are in this thread. Bumping sucks, supposedly, but they can't come here and even discuss the ideas that were presented?

Guess that tells us all we need to know about the anti-bumping posters.

It is a primitive form of tackle, sure, but it does not actually interfere with any of the ships functions nor does it cause any damage, hence the lack of CONCORD response. CONCORDING ships for bumping is also going to be problematic as some players will try to get bumped by people, such as sitting on the Jita undock and getting in a freighter's way. Also, it will be very hard if not impossible for the programming to determine intent.

Hence this thread. Discuss alternatives to bumping. But the idea of CONCORD is probably out due to the aforementioned reasons.

Well, IMO, the idea is that HS PvP is bad for the game. Never mind that when HS PvP was more viable and diverse the game grew. It is an attitude of entitlement--that players are entitled to play the game free of interactions from others. They'll even erroneously cite the notion of a sandbox, but the problem is that the sandbox lets you play however you want, but says nothing about others interacting with you.



Exactly, and that suicide point will give the freighter a logoff timer which means even logging off won't work. So every 2.5 minutes or so the gankers will reset the logoff timer to 15 minutes. Good going guys you whined so hard you ****** yourselves.

Edit: Logoff timer, not weapons.

You could just remove disable ship to ship collision in HS all the time as if they were all cloaked. This remove the current ghetto point you can get.

It's not hard to find way how to remove this.

Is it really that hard to create a new module for ship which could be turned on to bump others?
Or make some toggle for players which in enabled state allows them to bump but also gives suspect, and in disabled state doesn't affect other ships?
Seriously, I've been in programming more than 10 years now and can't see any unsolvable issues that prevent implementing that.
On ping notice - you could make server take ping into consideration when calculating who've done action first.

If webber become prevalent enough to really disturb ganking operation, suicide tacklers will become a thing and they are just as fast as webbers. It will raise their total cost by a few million and we are pretty much back to square one. It's better because something happened but we're still pointing stuff by playing with the physic engine.

Suicide tackle Blackbirds are already a big thing and they are a lot faster than webbers (they lock the freighter faster and they apply the point before the webber can apply apply the webs). CFC recently even went so far as to continuously suicide tackle Jump Freighters in Isanamo until a gank squad arrived to kill it. They did not bump, they just threw suicide warp disruptor after another against the ship so that a gank squad could warp in.

That is a pointless attempt. Not only do you require 3 chars to pull that off (please do not suggest actual other players, that's not going to happen because it's too much effort for no rewards), jaming the pointer does not achieve what you think it would. The pointer is there to give the bumper Machariel the necessary seconds to reach the freighter for the initial bump, nothing else. That is achieve by just applying the point for 1 second as the freighter slows down and the webber applied the webs to a non-warping freighter. Cycling the webs and getting the freighter to warp again takes up to 10 seconds, which is more than enough time for the Machariel to reach the freighter.