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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#81 - 2016-12-30 18:44:37 UTC
Praevus wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources.
So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow.

...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet.

I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Jev North
Doomheim
#82 - 2016-12-30 18:53:19 UTC
Patience. It's early days to call a definite lifelong purpose for a second-year capsuleer, and none of these things are mutually exclusive in any case.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#83 - 2016-12-30 20:07:06 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Praevus wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources.
So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow.

...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet.

I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger.

I hope so. I'm not sure that line's very clear to me in all cases.

Jev North wrote:
Patience. It's early days to call a definite lifelong purpose for a second-year capsuleer, and none of these things are mutually exclusive in any case.

The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.

It's a belief in tune with Sani Sabik principles, corrosive of social bonds-- and thus, of civilization itself. It erodes trust on both the individual and community levels, encouraging people to exploit and betray each other for their own advantage and advancement.

The Takmahl already charted this course for us. Taken as a model for behavior on a large scale, it's a formula for collapse. It only works if the "truly worthy" have a durable structure of trusting people to abuse and exploit, which is probably why Sani Sabik has been more successful as a parasite on other civilizations than as a civilization unto itself.

The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.

It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.

I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.

Right now, I have a light I want to follow, myself.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#84 - 2016-12-30 20:11:30 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Praevus wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources.
So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow.

...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet.

I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger.

I hope so. I'm not sure that line's very clear to me in all cases.

All we can do is what we can do, miss Jenneth. That you concern yourself at all is admirable.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Praevus
#85 - 2016-12-30 20:55:54 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.

It's a belief in tune with Sani Sabik principles, corrosive of social bonds-- and thus, of civilization itself. It erodes trust on both the individual and community levels, encouraging people to exploit and betray each other for their own advantage and advancement.

The Takmahl already charted this course for us. Taken as a model for behavior on a large scale, it's a formula for collapse. It only works if the "truly worthy" have a durable structure of trusting people to abuse and exploit, which is probably why Sani Sabik has been more successful as a parasite on other civilizations than as a civilization unto itself.

The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.

It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.

I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.

Right now, I have a light I want to follow, myself.


I see that the Empire faifthul had quite an influence on you, Ms. Jenneth. Anyway, good luck on your chosen, or yet unchosen, path.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#86 - 2016-12-30 21:09:09 UTC
Praevus wrote:
I see that the Empire faifthul had quite an influence on you, Ms. Jenneth. Anyway, good luck on your chosen, or yet unchosen, path.

Kind of inevitably, yes. It's tricky to build a society that lasts for four thousand years without having a few good ideas. I'm not sure I'm actually much closer to being one of them, though. The whole "God" thing is a bit of a sticking point.

Even so, this is pretty much "home." Probably for the foreseeable future.

Be well, pilot. I kind of get the sense we might be talking a few more times.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#87 - 2016-12-30 21:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
I've got something of an idea where you're at, Jenneth, in one sense. I've never lost my memories (that I know of), but I've had to start over more than once in life. Give it time, make a plan if you can, and you'll do alright. Best wishes on the matter, even if i did take a bit of glee in heckling your corporation at the time you were your old self.
Jev North
Doomheim
#88 - 2016-12-31 00:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
Aria Jenneth wrote:
The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.

Like they say, somebody who tells you you're destined for great things is probably trying to fleece you in some way. Go short on the ones who think they themselves are destined for greatness. (And stay out of their direct path.)


Aria Jenneth wrote:
The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.

It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.

I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.

Oh, I don't know, that's going pretty hard on your former self.

I think the grim tone of her writing was a consequence of the pain she was experiencing; she didn't want to be a human being, because she realized on some level that she'd make a pretty dodgy specimen of one. The paradox there is that this understanding, the capacity to feel this guilt and the perceived need to be punished for it with dehumanization, arguably made her more of a decent human being than most capsuleers.

Your existence might be an interesting resolution to that paradox.

In any case, I found her philosophy useful as a springboard for my own, if you can call the smattering of thoughts I have on the subject a philosophy. I think there's a great deal of merit in some of the core ideas -- taking a bird's eye view of our existence as a caste in society, figuring out what our values and mores towards each other and the rest of the Cluster should be.

I think the needle on whether we are human or not is still quivering somewhere on the "Yes" side of the scale, but that ultimately, it's not a very relevant question. Being human doesn't get us a place at the table by itself. Not being human won't excuse us of anything. We'll have to carve.. no, let's say make -- a space of our own to live.

Who lives literally by stuff they read off the IGS, anyway?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2017-01-04 22:57:23 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.


Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there.


Put him onboard a facility so far out in nullsec any of his friends or mercenaries cannot rescue him

And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him
Arrendis
TK Corp
#90 - 2017-01-05 03:06:26 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him


None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#91 - 2017-01-05 16:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrel Toov
Arrendis wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him


None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours.

Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2017-01-05 16:02:41 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him


None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours.

Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.


You do realise that you are asking for a permanent settlement to be erected around Napkin's prison?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#93 - 2017-01-05 16:21:17 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.


Which means you're advertizing where he is. No matter what you put in there, it's always possible to amass enough force to overcome the defenses for a few hours.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#94 - 2017-01-05 18:11:34 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him


None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours.

Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.

Think small. Very small. A grandiose set of protections are a red flag, and a dream come true for someone like myself. And while I'd never take a contract to do anything that might help this guy, it will be someone just like me who would.
morion
Lighting Build
#95 - 2017-01-05 19:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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