Missions & Complexes

Alphas can utilize top end industrials like Mammoth to bot level 4 courier missions at warps above 5 AU

I suggest restricting them to the first tiers of industrial ships (IE: wreath) or remove their ability to utilize them for level 4 courier missions altogether.

Hmmm...

I hadnt realizedf how capable hauler alphas can be with the T1 industrials.

Much less that they can farm LP like this.

Ah, yes, I should have included the word "standard" next to the words "top end" so that dumb kids like you wouldn't be confused and try to nitpick.

Mammoth is probably even better than Mastadon for purposes of running courier missions due to better inertia and extra low slot. So you embarrassed yourself either way.

(Sarcasm)


-Kirst

The issue here is that it is one of those things that can be botted or done in mass by farmers. years ago there were 100s of industrial going back and forth through some lowsec system you could go down there and shoot t1 industrial ships till you got bored and they just kept trucking. Adapting to changes is one thing, adapting to botting is another. That said I have no idea what their impact at this point is.

I know there are some restrictions on alphas but I don't know what holes have been discovered.

I think there is an organisation which claims to fight bot aspirant behaviour. If this is really turning into a problem, I'm sure this organisation will rise and shine. Otherwise you can always report bots.

I don't think the LP markets have been too distorted by these bots yet.

If CCP were to address the issue that the OP has raised, the solution would be easy enough: raise the skill requirement on the Mammoth, Bestower, Tayara, and Itty V to racial industrial II. Alphas are limited to racial industrial I. I'd include the specialist haulers for the sake of completeness, which would leave Alphas with only the basic, T1, fast haulers.

Having said that...is this really an issue that CCP needs to address? Is this botting, creative farming, or just emergent gameplay? CCP is obviously opposed to botting, and they've taken some steps in the past to reign in creative farming (i.e. FW missions in SBs). I say give this a bit more time to see how it plays out before jumping to any conclusions.


It's not griefing unless CCP says it is.

And they haven't.

Apparently they feel that the "Some men just want to watch the world burn." style of gameplay is valid.

Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting.

Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.

That's nothing.

I can make 14k LP and +- 10mill in 5min for very little effort. End of the day this isn't something that can be done en mass without circumventing the EULA and if they are then that means you have a valid complaint and should take your evidence to CCP that people are running multiple alpha clients at the same time.