EVE General Discussion

Cultural norms? I was wondering if it were something that went back to belt ratting where a person would set up in a system and go from belt-to-belt. Having another person in there was definitely more counter productive. And that kind of norm just carried over to anomalies. "This is my anomaly, so get out." But if you've actively given it a try and just can't make it work, then that is too bad.

I wouldn't make them too much like incursions though. Because then you do need to team up and that could lower the number of people playing. Having it so you can do them solo, but where it does pay more to do it as a team would be a more ideal solution (assuming it is possible).

Wouldn't that make it incredibly easy to simply jack-up the payouts by inflating with alts? I think the only way it would work would be to scale up the number of spawns and difficulty.

While these involve the environment they also have an element of competition to them. Aside from missions these more of a grey area, IMO.

Well, so far it's more like "to go out and do them in different games"...

CCP talks about "comfort zone", but paying customers talk about "reason to give money to CCP". People don't leave their "comfort zone", they leave EVE.

Don't burn the steak man. Don't burn the steak.

Stick to stakes instead.

I am not opposed to better PvE so long as it promotes more player-on-player interaction.

IMO, that is what CCPs presentation at the 2015 Fanfest on suicide ganking and the new player experience shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

I know the anti-ganking crowd hate that presentation would gladly burn CCP Rise or anyother Dev pointing to that presentation at the steak. But what I think that presentation shows is that player-on-player interaction is what keeps people involved with the game.

Keep in mind one thing that presentation did not cover was COOPERATIVE player-on-player interaction. It is possible that is even better at player retention (or maybe not). But like most people the anti-ganking crowd can't take some lemons and turn them into lemonade. Instead they have to down play that presentation and make the case for insulating people from player-on-player interaction which is most likely not good for the game.

What is not good for the game is to let go people who don't use videogames for socializing.

I don't have a problem with player interaction, but it should not be a requirement to enjoy the game, and content that can be enjoyed on your own (solo, but not alone) should be allotted resources in proportion to its weight. Solo players are not an exception, and they are not doing it wrong since that's what they pay CCP for and telling people that they're wrong to give you money is a bad idea. Solo players are the largest minority in EVE, and CCP's efforts to gate all new content behind forceful cooperation / interaction is just alienating them for no reason.

CCP needs people outside to go inside and pay them money, not to convert to the holy church of how right is EVE Online and how wrong is everybody else. If they want to play solo, CCP must give them solo content, or pass without their money and explain its employees why their salaries have become redundant thanks to CCP Seagull's vision of the game.

No one here has suggested that the PVP side of the game be touched at all. I've never understood the knee jerk reaction from the pvp players who act like the sky is falling and eve is going to burn to the ground the second that anyone suggests the pve experience could be improved.

eve isn't a zero sum game, what would be lost by new missions, new epic arcs, more voice acting, or whatever other kind of pve content being added? its not like they would be taking away your ships, or turning your guns into gummy bear launchers. If anything a better and more robust pve experience would attract more players to the game. which means more people in space, which means more targets to shoot at.

While I do agree that eve is a pvp centric game, and that the pvp does drive the economy, to say that it is ONLY about pvp is frankly blind and only looking at one half of the equation. without the people who go out there and engage in pve, the is no more isk entering the economy, and no more ships being built.

Yes enriching the pve experience may attract more "carebears" to the game... so what, all it would mean is cheaper ships and more targets, sounds like a net gain if you ask me. and sure some of them might not like the cut throat nature of the game and leave, but they where not going to stick around anyways. other people though might enjoy it and stick around, maybe even dip their toes into other aspects of the game as time goes on.