Intergalactic Summit

I swear this happens every time I'm on a message board. It should be fixed now.

Naup's responsibility is not lessened because he was facilitated by a third party but you cannot divorce Mokk from the fate of the slaves which he has sold. If he is selling slaves with the full knowledge of what awaits them at the hands of a buyer he is still responsible for delivering them to that fate.

You might as well argue that if I push a man into a fire I am not responsible for his death since I am not what burned him.

Principles have a convenient way of falling by the wayside when there is a good profit to be made. Also there are those who simply know the name and not the fate of the slaves, are they then complicit also?

Anyone who has the power to act against evil and fails to do so is complicit to evil. And anyone who would give up principles for pursuit of selfish interests or profit is weak.

If we're going to talk about things that damage the soul, there are two examples right there.

Is it? Where does Pandemic Horde outlaw that? For that matter, where does Pandemic Legion outlaw slaving, torture, mutilation, or killing people in their space?

If it's true, I'd be glad to hear it, but there's been absolutely no statements of the sort from Gobbins, Grath, Elise...

That's not how laws work. More importantly, what those people do or do not allow is perfectly irrelevant. This is a transaction between capsuleers allowed in its entirety by the powers that be, be it in sovsec or highsec. Unless he's smuggling them past certain borders, there's no crime committed.

It's an atrocity, sure. It's just not something a court can ever touch, as long as slaves are legal commodities.

I just don't think that this particular issue is within the scope of the ruling. It seems solely concerned with people who are born and then cloned. I don't think it can be made to have any meaning for entities that do not fall into that category.

Are there any other means by which immortality can be achieved besides cloning, not prolonging of mortal life (in case of nobility and their use of cyber implants), but as the word means by definition - endless existence as existence with no end to it.
I do not consider potential longevity as to be the cause, but I am more of the mind that removal of an end point could play a key role in all of it. You might not consider yourself immortal, but entity that is Arrendis Culome fit the definition of immortal. No matter how many clone bodies you lose it will still exist with no end in sight.



Not a crime that violates the law of a ruling body, but a crime as an offense that is a violation of morality.

We, like most alliances including yours, do not make laws that effect things outside the scope of piloting. It is very rare that an alliance would make laws on terrestrial, social, or economic issues to my understanding. I personally can only think of a small handful that have any laws like that. That said, I am sure all three would be just *thrilled* to have their members flaunting what Sinjin is doing. I have little experience with Gobbins but I think we all know how Grath and Elise view things like this and if not, you can just ask them.

I sort of doubt they are concerned with the claims and actions of a random horde pilot while the winter holiday season is on though. It would be like asking Mittani to rule on a case of someone shooting cans of slaves and claiming it makes the astronomicon stay lit. Not likely he will be interested, though he may have a strong opinion on it. Sort of a delegated job i.e. call a diplomat.

I did very much consider going to a Horde director to have him removed when I saw what he was doing but decided against it.

<< OOC note: I am not the kind of person to report and have someone kicked from their corp over rp. Nothing against those who play those stakes or want others to be held to them as that is what makes eve rp unique, I just personally am not interested in doing so, especially from Horde. >>


Regardless, I was speaking of it as a crime in an absolute, not something explicitly or specifically prohibited in Pandemic Horde or any terrestrial law. If it continues to be a problem perhaps a diplomat should be contacted.

On the subject of NullSec alliances.

We all witnessed a very large interstellar war this year. "World War Bee" as some call it, resulted in a great upheaval in Nullsec. Systems that had known a kind of peace under the rule of the Goons were suddenly ruled by a wide variety of different corporations, each with their own agenda.

The loss of ships and material was staggering.

But for each ship destroyed, each station or planet taken, there are survivors.

Most "refubees" are given the option to continue their lives with their support now going to the new Corporations.

Many however, cannot be used or utilized due to the nature of serving a military machine. What are we to do? Put them in a jetcan and fire them into the nearest star? Waste time and resources and probably lose lives in transporting them back to their Corporation of origin? Imprison them? Imprison millions of them?

And this doesn't even take into account the Serpentis, Guristas and other factions that operate in the North. Recently, over the course of several hours I responded to three different Guristas dreadnoughts which were harassing our mining operations. They would not retreat, they would not surrender so the ships had to be destroyed. The salvage goes to support our new pilots, but what to do with tens of thousands of surviving crew? Again, some decided to join us, others refused.

We could enslave them and force them to toil for us, we don't. Those who are enslaved are sold back to the empires or corporations that hired them. Since CONCORD does not rule NullSec, this is not illegal. We don't make a slave culture like Amarr does and we don't reap profits off of that system like CONCORD and the other Empires do. We turn a quick ISK and continue doing what we need to do to make our stand here.

Slavery is unimportant to NullSec because it does not define us. It just is.

And seriously, these people are alive. Death is an option for them, we just don't take that option.

So again, you don't get to claim the moral high ground when you engage in or take benefit from the system of slavery. Just because I'm not willing to hide what I am and what I do under a veneer of false civility doesn't make you better than me. You ARE me.

I do not say this as a Horde pilot. I do not say this as an Archangel. I say this as a Free Captain who is fighting for a better Galaxy. But if I'm going to fight for a better Galaxy, it has to be one worth living in, without the lies and corruption of CONCORD and your petty governments.

You don't like slavery? Don't do it. You don't like the system? Change it.