EVE General Discussion

Oh man. I agree with you on this one, especially in tone. You sure you're a new player? (I'm not heh)

Well that is their choice isn't it. So why come on here and cry about it. Why are you trying to play a subscription based game without subscribing?

The 'bone' you are being thrown is the fact that you do not have to pay a subscription to play the game. Alpha characters train at half speed and are restricted for a reason. CCP wants you to subscribe or PLEX.

That is it. Yes, that is all.

If it really bothers you that it takes that long to train, buy two PLEX or subscribe for two months, train at Omega speed (normal) and get all the skills that alpha toons can train. At the end of your two months, you got a fully skilled alpha toon and can continue to play Eve Online...free.

If that is not feasable for you, then 'suck it up buttercup', HTFU and quit complaining. Alpha toons are not entitled to anything beyond playing the game for free.

agreed. the half training speed is an artifical limiter so alphas dont max out their limited skill tree quickly.

trial accounts trained at the normal speed and when trials became alphas they lost half of their training speed.
it was a major league douche move in addition to limited ships to races.
that ones almost funny because people say no pirate ships without realizing how silly they sound when pirate ships could just be made omega only like many other omega things and it would completely remove their entire argument that clones would fly pirate frigates and be op.

First thing: [citation needed] The way I understand it, what you're saying is being done, can't be done. ALL skills extracted come from paid accounts, period. The skills that can be trained on alphas can't be extracted. I'll grant that faster alpha training speed would set up a skill farm faster, but it would not increase the rate the character is farmed. And already there's no limit to how broad a skill farm can go. I could sign up a thousand alphas right now if I wanted, get them maxed out, and crash the market all by my lonesome the following month. And since this apparently isn't done already, makes me think: [citation needed].

Secondly: the feel goods that omegas get for alphas being slow training... every alpha player, every player paid or not, who's contributing to the game, who's creating content, adds real financial value to the game, in addition to creating new revenue opportunities. I'd say an active alpha is probably worth MORE as an asset than the $15/month an inactive omega pays.

So, the big question, the question I have not seen really answered satisfactorily, does the nerfed training speed add anything to the game, or does it detract from the game. I'd point out that the sooner an alpha hits their max skills the sooner they have incentive to sub. The sooner they can feel effective in the game, the more likely they are to stick around long enough to sub at all, although that's probably a big ol' [citation needed] as well.

Disclaimer: I have no horse in this race. I am a maxed out alpha, I have nothing to gain. This isn't even a topic I've seen many alphas even complaining about, so I don't even feel like I'm speaking on behalf of anyone. I just can't think of a legitimate reason for the current system other than making omegas feel l33t.

Do you think it's accurate to say it takes six months to figure out enough about the game to make an informed decision anyway? Without knowing what having skills feels like, does a reduced training speed accomplish anything besides sucking objectively harder. Alphas are also limited by ship class, skill caps, and racial ship trees. So doesn't that mean alphas are more like F1/2P

As I said earlier, this is completely wrong in my case. Right now, with half training speed and less tahn 1 million SP, I have an incentive to sub and get full training speed. Without that boost, I have no incentive to sub until I hit ~4 million SP.



I think this one is very dependent on personal viewpoint. I am having a lot of fun in the game, therefore I want to sub and stick around. I feel I can do many things effectively enough to enjoy myself, even though I'm less effective than others doing the same thing. I'm looking at what's out there to try, and trying it.

Whereas the OP seems to be looking at what's out there to try, deciding other people do it better, and not bothering. He seems to equate fun with being as effective as a veteran player, that until you pass a certain SP threshold, fun is disabled. I think with that mentality, you'll never really enjoy things. There are always going to be people with more skillpoints, more experience, flying ships you can't.

I am still curious as to what the OP feels he is prevented from doing, stuff he could do with double training speed. I'm curious if there's stuff he can't do for 6 weeks due to training speed, if he'd really be any happier being forced to wait 3 weeks to do it with omega training speed.

My own list of stuff I feel like I can't do due to being a new alpha, which will no doubt expand as I discover more stuff:
Trading/hauling for profit - don't have the capital needed, don't get access to a decent hauling ship as an alpha, and it'd take significant time to get one as omega anyway.
Solo pvp - feel like I'll inevitably lose any 1v1 fight.
wormholes - use them as shortcuts, sure. But I think the explorer sites inside them are too hard/too dangerous.
And that's more or less it so far.

Mining, exploring, missions, group pvp, I feel like I can try all of them, have fun with them, even if I'm restricted in how I do them. Can't do level2+ missions, can't be effective in a non-frigate in pvp, can't use anything beyond a venture, and so on. But I don't think omega status will change that much. It'll still take time to get into harder/more advanced versions of those things.

I certainly want the wait to be shorter, in fact that's the major reason causing me to sub. But I don't see that I'm held back from trying the game and seeing if it's for me. If I needed instant gratification when it comes to my desire to try the more advanced stuff, then alpha or omega doesn't matter, as it just changes the wait from too long to too long. If I needed that instant gratification, then I don't think the current version of the game would be for me. But equally, if the game offered that instant gratification, then I don't think that game would be for the current version of me, I think it'd be a play for a month or two and get bored and never touch again, just like so many of the very good games I've played in the past and finished, or got bored with the repetitiveness of.

The only ship type that I feel the alpha clones should have access to is the Mining Barge (and the minimum skills needed), albeit only to level 1 or 2. Otherwise, I think alpha clones can do what omega clones can somewhat do, just not as good. They have access to faction frigates and cruisers just like omega toons do.

I still believe the limitations should stay, including the training time. Eve Online is all about the journey, not the destination.

I got a rl friend to join eve and he got his first solo kill at day 6 with alpha usable equipment, he was quite happy c: