EVE General Discussion

Like the Topic says, why?

The Nestor was robbed of its theme, which was a cloaking scanner boat that can do exploration. I don't care about a cloak being too overpowered, then the design was flawed from the beginning. The Nestor as it stands, is a useless piece of trash to a large portion of the eve community. I remember when I first saw the SOE ship line I said i'm going to run a relic in that monster battleship, but now that I have the skills and money what good is it now?

The Nestor was robbed and so was I of my dream to burn money on stupid ships. For shame CCP, for shame.

Because a covert cloaking BS is hilariously bullshit overpowered. Anyone asking for this either has no clue or is somehow ok with ships that are hilariously bullshit overpowered and should thus never be listened to in regards to ships or balancing.

Just because you didn't check a ship's traits before you trained for it or it's not useful to a majority of people doesn't mean it needs changing.

There are ways to make it less overpovered if equipped with covert cloak. They could give it more crippling fitting requirements for fitting cloak, lower speed while cloaked, greater targeting delay. It could still warp cloaked. Would not matter at gatecamps, it would be dead there, every time, easier to decloak and point, not enough agility to warp out in time.

It'd still be OP, otherwise you wouldn't agree to said "crippling requirements".

It would still have to be OP in first place, when you give it some crippling additionally, it isnt, its just original, unusual, thought provoking. Maybe broken.

Like Superman and kryptonite.

Except for the small problems that A: it lacks a jump drive and B: other BLOPS Battleships can only carry enough fuel to bridge a Nestor around 2.5'ish Light Years.

I'd rather bridge in a logi T3C or two. But then, if you're planning on needing a logi on your BLOPS fleets, you're already kinda doing it wrong. BLOPS drops are an execution style gank, not a standup fight.

You don't see the real cause for nerfs like this : envy....

There can't be a ship that can something that it is designed for better than all the others around....this is "overpowered" and has to be cut.....

Why? simply some envy people say it has to......they simply can't stand the fact that others had more then themselves....or had it easier.....

The last example was the myrmidon.....

How could ccp dare to design a ship that can do something better than other ships of its class (here : carrying drones)?
This can't be tolerated by some people so the whining in the forum and ingame starts and they got their will it was nerfed......

There are people out there that can't sleep 'til all is flat und even in this game.....no ships that spike out the flatness of their world with special abilities.....they just want to even it all......they call it "balancing" but in the end it's just jealousy.

Most of those people dream of using ONE ship for all and they hate every individuality.......

Thats the bottom line......not an "overpowered" ship design....they want to flat it all.....

Balance has nothing to do with envy. Nothing keeps players from training a Nestor or a Myrmidon, so why would they be envious about it?

However, if a ship gets too strong, it will invalidate many other ships. If one ship is simply the best one, why have all the others? The ships in Eve are still unique: The Nestor is the only battleship with a remote rep bonus, the Myrmidon is still the best drone battlecruiser, the Scorpion is still the only Battleship with an ECM bonus and so on. So, these ships are nowhere near a "flat line" in terms of their abilities, neither should they be. However, in terms of powerlevel they should be. If there are ships that clearly are more powerful than all the others, we will have a meta where everyone just uses just a handful of ships and ignores the rest, at which point one would wonder why we have all those ships anyway, if most of them are ****.

Nestor is a pretty decent ship IMO it is more people's lack of imagination rather than limitations of the ship that reduce how much it is used. While it would be cool I don't see a desperate need for covert cloak on it.

That said given its role/faction I've always thought it should have some aspect of black ops functionality - even if that was just a short range jump drive without black ops cloaking bonuses or atleast something unique to its navigation abilities in some shape or form.