EVE General Discussion

What exactly do you get from CREST data as compared to a test of game mechanics on the test server, if you are so fail that you cannot do your own test server checking that is your issue.

As I said, webbing is not the answer as there is a counter for it, you seem to think you would be safe with a webber, I told you that was not in fact true, you then admitted that you were not 100% safe and should not be, case closed, running around going show me your data is just fail.

Seriously...

Well you don't seem to be very good are you if you are missing that data, those loss mails do exist, but then again you are in a corp that lost a POS to a war dec because your CEO at the time did not know he could anchor the hardeners inside the POS shields..., so I suppose there is a theme of incompetence here...

You do know that loss mails are not that reliable and that there are certain events that will remove you from the loss mail, so explain to me now just how accurate the loss mails really are so that you can be so certain that your data is correct and that it details all the facts.

For example a blackbird was reported and its weapon was wait for it, a blackbird, funny that..., I could go on, but it is a colossal waste of time to base your intel on CREST data, you should expect to be disappointed

And I can go on, we had one event where a blackbird suicide pointed a Freighter and he warped out and his kill mail reported him as being blown up at another gate, that is just not supposed to happen, but we saw it and it was petitioned, there are so many bugs and exploits in this game and you want to rely on CREST data, get real.

You are making wild assumptions on the reliability of that data, and have you even understood that a Blackbird suicide point is not needed most of the time because most people are not webbing, and that the gankers know how to use exploits and to hide what they are doing when they do use them. But if you want to believe that then be my guest, your addition of the point that you are not expected to be 100% safe was the answer wasn't it?

The unreliability of KM data is well known.

The profitability of hauling is really not that good for freighter pilots. Let's say a pilot use a freighter that cost 1B to haul cargo that also worth 1B. His total risk is the cost of the ship plus the cost of cargo, which is totally 2B at risk. How much he can make for trading 1B of goods? In most cases, it would be somewhere between 10%-30% of the cost of goods. Let's say on average he make 200M per each trade. For each trip he ventures, his risk/reward ratio is 2B/200M, which is 10 to 1. In other words, he is risking 10 bucks to make 1 buck. If he is ganked just once for each 11 trips, he will break even luckily. Anything worse than that, he will loss in his trading business.
Since the beginning of alpha clone age, high sec is increasingly dangerous for haulers. Alpha clones risk almost nothing to participate in ganking activities. Everyone and his auntie would like to have an alpha just for ganking. Hauling business is terrible in this game. I told newbies not to run trading between stations. I told them they would have more fun to use a free alpha clone to take part in ganking fleet.

What a pathetic way to make a point, post your data, same reply used by the gankers when people talk about people leaving when they were ganked, and people insisting on proof when none existed, same sort of sleight of hand here, because the mechanism of kill mails you are using are easily manipulated by a simple session changes of the blackbird suicide pointer, or the webber running off to get another ship to rep for example.

I don't use CREST and nor do I intend to, if I had my way all this free data would disappear, as well as that in the star map. My data is from being in position to observe such events that happened and then testing the web against a blackbird fitted like the gankers and a Macherial. You can keep blowing the trumpet of "Post your Data!" as a walking stick to cling on to, but still you were unable to prevent yourself from adding the 100% safety comment earlier which clearly indicates that you are backing away from your all you need is a webber you are fine statement which is what I pointed out as being incorrect.

The people in the AG group know about the counter to webbers which means that any high value cargo or scam courier is basically dead once they are bumped and stating "post the data" again and again like a rabid parrot makes no difference to that simple fact.

Also I noticed a loss mail to a friend of mine and I found out that you don't even use a scout, way to fail mate..., perhaps you could have used CREST data there?

At this point you have managed to bore me to death so I am not going to reply to another parrot post of yours.

EDIT: Just saw the freighter session change dig, typical example of people trying too hard to make a point and exposing that, so to help your poor brain if of course you were genuinely confused about what i meant I amended my statement just in case you really was that bad. The block function is now twitching in your CREST filled direction...

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The truth is that people who want to move stuff should use a DST tanked very very well or a JF with a fleet including emergency cyno's, if you have to use a freighter due to size then contract it to someone who uses CREST data with 125% collateral and you are fine and dandy...

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It may work for some hauling elites. For most newbies, they will be emotionally difficult to get over of losing an expensive freighter, particularly in their early days of gaming experience in EVE. I don't want them to quit before they understand the game. I would like to tell newbies to stay out of freighter hauling until they gained fair amount of knowledge of the game environment and game mechanic or got some helps from friends if they can.

Less than 0.2% chance of being ganked over 1.5 million highsec gate jumps. Numbers worked out using the largest body of data available from the largest shipping organization in EVE.

What skill and cost would you find acceptable?