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That you even have to write that suggests that there is a serious problem with freighter pilots...at least those that get ganked.

Seriously, you have a 1.2-1.3 billion ISK ship, with at least 0.5 billion ISK in cargo and not only don't tank it...you fit mods that will reduce it's tank....and you are here on the forums complaining.

STFU, STFD, LTPTG, or GTFO.

Thank you for the independent validation...of course now that I wrote this everyone will either assume you are me, or a CODE. alt or something. Still, good work.

I have the OP blocked as he is a attention seeking troll who haunts the AFK cloaking thread and I got tired of his bull, I would say that he is able to express himself well however. I am not going to read his stuff, but from what I have seen of this thread I can get the gist of what he said and what his aim is, to insult people who disagree with him.

As one who has saved freighters at times, I will point out that there is nothing wrong as such with freighter ganking as game events, in my experience it has mostly affected 0.0 alliances who do not value their logistics enough to make an effort to protect them, however there are people who fly them that due to having only one account and are in small entities in hisec to slip under the radar or are in NPC corps they are especially vulnerable but those people can decide to down grade to a DST or upgrade to a JF but cyno alts are needed for that.

I noticed that some people made comments about JF's, well up your game, you need to cover the emergency cybo locations and bump them before they dock or blow up the cyno, that you are unable to do so shows something doesn't it?

The bumping mechanic in terms of keeping freighters pinned down for hours consequence free is an issue because it is poor game play for the victim to suffer, that needs sorting, can't understand that this fix has still not been implemented, and of course there are some loot scooping tricks that need adjustment and of course real penalties for gankers like NPC stations refusing access.

But freighter ganking as such is part of the game and the only thing needed is a balance pass on what I just pointed out.

As a risk evaluation I do one simple thing, I don't use freighters any more, DST for me, if I need a freighter now I just pay for hauling with 125% collateral on the contract like other smart people.

Anyway back to the echo chamber... and back slapping and pleas to be noticed...

PS I hardly bother now, just the odd jaunt when I am really bored, does that say something about it... the best part is the need of certain gankers to sprout off in local which makes me giggle, attention seeking at its finest...

How amusing....Dracvlad stated he was letting his sub expire, so he cannot use DSTs or freighters or he is a liar and has resubbed.

Excellent analysis. Thanks for setting the record straight and taking time.

I think the issue is grossly over- and misrepresented in discussion simply due to the fact freighter pilots get so incredibly salty about it and start a thread almost everytime it happens.

Instead of acknowledging their own lapse in taking precautions, they project their anger outwards rather than at themselves.

So having a 'fair' contest is bulldust and none of CCP's business? But it is CCP's concern if the game design is unfair? Bit of a contradiction there?

Set up a fair playing field, and let the players have at it. But if playing field turns out to be tilted, then step in and balance it out.




Yes. But as I said, just because one side may be overreacting doesn't mean that the design is working well. The ability to take an aggressive action and keep a ship from warping indefinitely, and to take that action with literally no consequence and at no risk, for the aggressed to have no recourse, that's not fair. Make that fair, treat the initial aggressive action as an aggressive action, and then it is fair, the gankers can go for it, and the FUBAR freighter loads can explode.

You're conflating 'freighters currently get ganked with the help of unfair methods' with 'it's unfair that freighters get ganked.' Just because those that argue the second are [insert insult here], that doesn't mean the first is wrong.

Not empty quoting...

CCP did NOT to ANYTHING to fix the unfair advantage of the bumper, you could be kept on a gate for HOURS without the ability to safe-logoff or warp, a criminal (-10 sec status) just undocks with a rookie ship with a warp disruptor and kills your timer and warp - easy, safe ... without any kind of risk!

Even if the freighter pilot have scouts, you just can't fight this tactic ... that velator lands on top of the freighter, insta-locks and warp-disrupts the freighter = job done.


Freighters are massive ships worth bilions of isk without CPU or POWER-GRID (cause CCP doesn't want you to mount warp-stabilisers or any kind of active tank)

If you really think about it there are ways, they will just involve sacrificing a ship to get the freighter through. If you are carrying something in the range of 5B there will be enough profit to get even or make a small profit. So you are sacrificing some 300+M to save 5B of cargo + ship. And that's just when you get tackeled which will only happen rather infrequently.

Some other solution could be that bumping give you a suspect flag after the 5th bump.

Im rather disappointed and concerned with the lack of ingenuity and effort by the whiners in this thread.
Especially when those people have not taken the already available precautions for "safe" transit.

Im going to throw you a bone though, cos Im a nice guy.

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Freighter Gank Watchlist (FGW):

1) Considering the relatively low frequency of freighter explosions, it should not be difficult to mine data out of killboards and player reports/testimony inorder to compile a list/table of the usual freighter destroying suspects and alts. In a couple months of compiling, you will probably have a very good idea of whom is involved, where and how. Probably more than anyone else currently in the game.

2) Once you have a relatively comprehensive list/table, you can add those names to your UI with red standing, thus helping you identify and possibly avoid them, their alts/associates, and centers of activity.

3) You can even sell this as a service. For a subscription fee, a player can order the list/table from you. You can make it a monthly update to the list which is sent to all current subscribers on a mailing list.

4) You can setup an ingame channel in conjunction with your data mining/list efforts/services to gather more data, for participants to warn/advise other freighters, and advertise your subscribed Watchlist service.

5) The players who sub to your Watchlist, will be safer than those that dont. Leading to those that are not on your subscription mailing list, will be more likely to be destroyed, thus prompting them to seek out and pay for your service. Every dedicated freighter pilot will want to have your list.

6) You can infiltrate groups involved in freighter destruction (with potentially even an Alpha), to collect more data on names of participants, typical tactics, current wherabouts and centers of activity.

7) Once you have reached market saturation, as in all or most freighter pilots buying your list monthly, you can
-A) Setup your own shadow Freighter ganking operation, utilising the expertise, trust, connections and information you have.
-B) Sell information to now starved freighter gankers on prominent freight movements you are aware of.
-C) Both will increase and concrete demand for your original list service.

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This innovator, albeit inversely to my plan above, has tapped into the current zeitgeist of dissatisfaction with bounty hunting/mercenary systems, added to whining about freighter losses, by providing a service that comprises both:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=504621&find=unread

Be more like this person. Be more like me.
Do something pro-active and creative, rather than whining.
Use your head, not your tears.