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RP OOC Skills-type question

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Salus Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-12-25 17:13:15 UTC
This is a OOC question to some of the RPers out there.

Are there RP pilots who fly outside your race? IE: Amarr/Amarr flying Minmatar vessels, or Caldari/Civire flying Gallente vessels, etc

Dont take any offense with this question, Im not attempting to insult or dictate a play-style at all, I am honestly just wondering.


To the trolls, flamers, and RP-haters,

Flame and troll and bait away, as an avid D&D player in my youth, I am used to it, you will get no tears here, but please try, as yours can be the funniest of posts at times.
Laken Starr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-25 17:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Laken Starr
Disclaimer: I'm not a heavy RPer, at least in Eve Online. So I don't play such things as closely as I would in other settings.

Something like this would be entirely dictated by your character's background and personality, rather than RP policy. If your character is one who has a burning hatred for one or more of the other races, you're likely not going to touch their ships. There could also be patriotic/religious issues, especially for someone like the Amarr who feel that their god has blessed them with superior technology to burn to ashes the unbelievers, or Caldari who feel that there are no vessels to be found that can compare to those produced by the State.

My own character is a Gallente who flies Amarrian ships. To her, the ship is simply a means to an end, and she finds the Amarrian ship designs to be more aesthetically pleasing.
Salus Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-12-25 17:54:24 UTC
Laken Starr wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm not a heavy RPer, at least in Eve Online. So I don't play such things as closely as I would in other settings.

Something like this would be entirely dictated by your character's background and personality, rather than RP policy. If your character is one who has a burning hatred for one or more of the other races, you're likely not going to touch their ships. There could also be patriotic/religious issues, especially for someone like the Amarr who feel that their god has bless them with superior technology to burn to ashes the unbelievers, or Caldari who feel that there are no vessels to be found that can compare to those produced by the State.

My own character is a Gallente who flights Amarrian ships. To her, the ship is simply a means to an end, and she finds the Amarrian ship designs to be more aesthetically pleasing.



I like the sound of this, thanks for the food-for-thought
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2011-12-25 18:14:12 UTC
Modus legion are a bunch of gallente breakaways loyal to the state.

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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-25 18:30:39 UTC
Salus Amatin wrote:
This is a OOC question to some of the RPers out there.

Are there RP pilots who fly outside your race? IE: Amarr/Amarr flying Minmatar vessels, or Caldari/Civire flying Gallente vessels, etc

Dont take any offense with this question, Im not attempting to insult or dictate a play-style at all, I am honestly just wondering.


To the trolls, flamers, and RP-haters,

Flame and troll and bait away, as an avid D&D player in my youth, I am used to it, you will get no tears here, but please try, as yours can be the funniest of posts at times.


Why would a nation limit itself to only using ships and weapons it made itself? It may prefer to use its own, but there is no reason why they won't be able to use someone elses.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-25 18:58:20 UTC
Just watch AT X it was i guess .. the last one..

Electus Matari ship selection .. Cool
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#7 - 2011-12-25 19:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
This has mostly been said, but...

Well, I have no idea why so many people associate the requirement to fly only your own race's ships with RP so much. Must be from some of the earliest times in EVE. Ever since I started playing, the only group to actively restrict themselves with their ship choice was PIE Inc. (awesome people), Amarr loyalists.

You have two basic factors that influence ship choice towards "own race", though.

First, most Minmatar RPers (to pick one example) will start Minmatar characters, which start out with Minmatar-focused skill sets, so they are more likely to fly Minmatar ships. Which means that Minmatar RP groups will have a statistical preference for Minmatar ships.

Second, RPers who are loyal to their faction will take some pride in flying their faction's ships. This is not necessary and by all means not universal, but it exists. For example, my character flies only Minmatar ships (and mining barges :-)) purely for that reason. I have also put in some effort to design Electus Matari fleet doctrines in a way that favors Minmatar designs (we flew Tempests before it was cool!) - and I have up until recently avoided armor fleets since I try to avoid basing fleet concepts on Amarr designs (Oneiros boost ftw). This is a personal choice for me and my character, though. (It also creates good RP opportunities when commenting on other people's ship choices ;-))

So there is definitely a tendency for RPers to fly more of "their race's" ships. But it's a tendency, and definitely not a requirement.

One very nice comment I've heard once was "when people tell me we can't use Amarrian technology, I ask them, what about the Khumaak?"

(For those not too well-versed in RP lore: The Khumaak was an Amarrian scepter that a Minmatar slave used to kill his master, resulting in the genocide on the Starkmanir tribe; the Khumaak is nowadays used as an important Minmatar symbol for freedom.)
Matariki Rain
Icecream Audit Office
#8 - 2011-12-25 20:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Matariki Rain
The people above have covered most of it. I'll add a few more snippets.

In older Matari roleplay there was--and sometimes still is--use of the terms "The Pure" and "The Wise". "The Pure" flew Matari-only, and generally chose to focus themselves on Matari-created culture. "The Wise" had a wider purview, choosing ships--and other things--based on how well they performed the desired role. Some people hate these terms, particularly for implying that the Pure aren't Wise.

My corp embraces "the way of the Khumaak": we'll use whatever tools are to hand to achieve what we need to achieve. A sceptre can become a club. Curses and Angel hulls are fine ships. We do take a certain pleasure in using the weapons of the enemy against the enemy, but that's secondary to wanting to foster capable, confident pilots who know their chosen ships and styles well, and having a default preference for Matari ships if other things are roughly equal.

In a world where everything can be homogeneous and many pilots cut or lose ties with their people once they get their pod licences, one of the challenges for roleplayers is to explore and develop cultures which are plausible, coherent, attractive and satisfying. Racial ship choice can have a role in self-perception and morale. It can also become part of the story of a character or group. That doesn't mean the only consistent approach for roleplayers is to fly only "their" race's ships, although there is something special about building fleets and doctrines around "your" way of doing things.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-25 20:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
not really a RPer myself, but to me it was always the idea of getting hold of the enemy's weapons and turn them against him.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#10 - 2011-12-25 20:58:07 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:


One very nice comment I've heard once was "when people tell me we can't use Amarrian technology, I ask them, what about the Khumaak?"

(For those not too well-versed in RP lore: The Khumaak was an Amarrian scepter that a Minmatar slave used to kill his master, resulting in the genocide on the Starkmanir tribe; the Khumaak is nowadays used as an important Minmatar symbol for freedom.)


Well, as an Amarrian semi-RPer, I must say I find it amusing to see someone killing a racial enemy with their own weapons, you can also pretend you are a renegade Ammatar (they are officially Minmatar people that fly Amarr ships)

Limiting yourself to a ship/gun type on rp purposes is a bit strange, considering ships are just the casing of your weapons in space Big smile , that's why I can fire all missiles, lasers, hybrids and arty's at 5 with their specs at 5 too . No need to limit yourself.

In RP terms if it were up to me I would be an Amarr obsessed with Sansha tech, those kind of obsessions that you totally love the things you hate the most.

Limiting yourself in ship choices is like a bunch of hardcore jingoist americans not wanting to pump gas into their cars because the gas probably comes originally from the middle east, but to each their own Bear

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#11 - 2011-12-25 22:47:12 UTC
Salus Amatin wrote:
This is a OOC question to some of the RPers out there.

Are there RP pilots who fly outside your race? IE: Amarr/Amarr flying Minmatar vessels, or Caldari/Civire flying Gallente vessels, etc

Dont take any offense with this question, Im not attempting to insult or dictate a play-style at all, I am honestly just wondering.


To the trolls, flamers, and RP-haters,

Flame and troll and bait away, as an avid D&D player in my youth, I am used to it, you will get no tears here, but please try, as yours can be the funniest of posts at times.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you once played a dwarf who refused to learn common and speak to the other members of the party, all in the name of "good" role-playing.

Of course you can justify flying another race's ships. How many Americans drive Japanese, German, Korean or other nationalities' cars?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#12 - 2011-12-25 22:54:38 UTC
Amarr at heart, but I see no problem commanding designs from the other superpowers because that's what they are - merely designs. ((My character is skilled in all of the flavours and regrets nothing))

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-12-25 22:57:28 UTC
Salus Amatin wrote:
This is a OOC question to some of the RPers out there.

Are there RP pilots who fly outside your race? IE: Amarr/Amarr flying Minmatar vessels, or Caldari/Civire flying Gallente vessels, etc

Dont take any offense with this question, Im not attempting to insult or dictate a play-style at all, I am honestly just wondering.


To the trolls, flamers, and RP-haters,

Flame and troll and bait away, as an avid D&D player in my youth, I am used to it, you will get no tears here, but please try, as yours can be the funniest of posts at times.


Entirely up to the character you wish to create and how they'd feel on the subject.

As a Khanid-Loyalist I've flown only Amarr/Caldari ships for the last 5 years, and have done just fine thanks ;0

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-25 23:07:49 UTC
As a caldari RPer I realized that everybody hates to have me in fleet in strictly caldari ships. The saying was Caldari is not for PvP. I jumped straight into minmatar FOTM Hurricane/HAC.

Later I realized that drone boats can be used to some successes, so I cross trained to gallente Hacs. The reasoning behind it all was simple - armor fleets are better, caldari have base skills for hybrids and missiles, which are common to both matari and gallente.

I will not cross train to amarr, because very few of their ships follow caldari line - entirely different guns, strange short range missile ships, maximum armor tank.

Finally, guristas ships require gallente/caldari, so it looks logical and I have no affection for Sansha's.

Caldari RP includes hanging out in Jita, fetishizing Drake brick squads and bashing Gallente occasionally.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-25 23:46:29 UTC
Unleashing my inner RP player right now, but I've already covered why he will be trained as he is

Flying Gallente - He is Intaki after all
Flying Caldari - Born in Placid on the Blackrise border, there is a certain merging of technology pre Heth's era on the colonies he has no second thoughts of using a Caldari built tool.
Flying Minmatar - Working alongside allies, led to him admiring Minmatar ships and so their use.

Not Flying Amarr - Working along side the Minmatar and can not stand for slavery or the constant preaching and religious iconography plastered over Amarr ships.

I lied :o

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#16 - 2011-12-26 00:08:47 UTC
I have an RP alt, I don't RP with my main here. She is a minmatar flying amarr ships and that's because she saw Gods wisdom and the divine plan and that the minmatar should be enslaved again for the good of New Eden.

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Salus Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-26 01:00:54 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Salus Amatin wrote:
This is a OOC question to some of the RPers out there.

Are there RP pilots who fly outside your race? IE: Amarr/Amarr flying Minmatar vessels, or Caldari/Civire flying Gallente vessels, etc

Dont take any offense with this question, Im not attempting to insult or dictate a play-style at all, I am honestly just wondering.


To the trolls, flamers, and RP-haters,

Flame and troll and bait away, as an avid D&D player in my youth, I am used to it, you will get no tears here, but please try, as yours can be the funniest of posts at times.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you once played a dwarf who refused to learn common and speak to the other members of the party, all in the name of "good" role-playing.

Of course you can justify flying another race's ships. How many Americans drive Japanese, German, Korean or other nationalities' cars?


lol, no no, I always had to learn Common, as my favored class was usually Bard, and a bard speaking only one language can lead to a fairly empty coin-purse, mainly I was just wondering, as in RP there are certain etiquettes, customs, and traditions, and I just wanted to make sure i wouldn't completely lose the chance of being able to get into a corporation if, being Gallente, I trained Caldari, Minmatar or Amarr ships
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2011-12-26 01:10:33 UTC
I have never seen this become an issue in the RP world.

I suppose it could, but anyone with a personal reason for cross training could come up with an RP reason as well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Leonova Klystra
EnRon co.
#19 - 2011-12-26 03:15:59 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Modus legion are a bunch of gallente breakaways loyal to the state.


The entire state is a bunch of Gallente breakaways.
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-12-27 19:40:20 UTC
Yeah, it's already been answered thoroughly, but here's my two isk worth:

Your RP is about you, provided you don't go breaking already established canon.

For example, I'm a retired Matar Colonel of the Minmatar Republic. I spent my entire military career flying Minmatar ships, which to me makes sense, as I was flying for the Tribal Liberation Force.

I am fiercely patriotic, one of the "Pure", and the idea of flying another race's ship just doesn't fit into my view of the universe.

Of course, that changed when I became a liason to our Gallente allies, and was introduced to the Gallente/Minmatar hybrid frigate and cruiser.

I've rationalized that learning to fly the Dramiel and the Cynabal made sense as a new and experimental effort to aid relations and strategies in the war against the Amarr/Caldari.

So for me it works, and doesn't break any canon.

RP can be very free flowing. Just enjoy yourself and make it up as you go, again, not breaking established canon.

Never start a fight you can win.

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