EVE General Discussion

I think that what you're not understanding is that veteran players don't hate any kind of change, so much as they have experience with the consequences of those changes... whether they be intended or not.

The voice of experience is that roaring noise that you're trying to shout over.

Also, your idea is terrible on many levels.
Allow me to elucidate.

By making Jita a 'no fire zone' you would create a single system where it would be completely safe to fly afk.
Even though they aren't high quality, there are resources to be competed over in Jita.
By removing the 'I shoot you in the face.' answer to the very important question of 'yeah, and what are you gonna do about it?' you nut punch the spirit of EVE. Repeatedly.
Droves of the risk averse would flock to Jita for reasons beyond simply going AFK and clog that system up far worse than it ever was before.
Burn Jita is a thing, and should stay a thing.

Then welcome to Hek if you like !
100+ capsuleers erevytime,90% of jita price.
Less ganker and less cantact scammer.

Most of the comments here are beside what they said not about "bad consequences for the game"...it's about "I don't want this because it would effect MY game to the core"

The sad part is others BELIEVE that the "Eve has not to change" fraction is the only one that KNOWS what is good and right for the game.......in fact they don't,they just don't want a change...

They may really believe that they know that it will bad for the game BEFORE something like a no fire zone (for example) has ever been tried.....they even seem to think they know it better than ccp.....but no...they do not....

"This doesn't work because i don't want it to work and EVERYBODY who want it to work or even want to try it is intended to kill eve(HIS GAME to be exactly not EVE)

It would be ANOTHER EVE and THIS is what those people really fear and THIS is the REAL meaning of all this "Eve will die if this comes true" crap.......


A change of THEIR EVE ist unacceptable for those people.....

And so they jump on everyone who tries a change like this and accuse them to want eve(their eve) something bad instead of giving it a try.....

This is just an example what i'm talking about....

Just because YOU think it should nowhere to be safe in EVE it HAS to be so?

And no...ganking should not be "normal"...it has to be the opposite....ganking or even the try of it in high should cause an autopop of the attacking ship if not sanctioned by the other player due an acception of any kind.....it's easy to be done with the duel option feature.....

And no ...not the players (pve,solo ect THAT DON'T WANT PVP in the majority) have to fly smart,ccp has to FORCE the gankers to behave under THEIR rules...and those rules have to be adjusted like they are in all the other games around which means "leave non pvp players alone or loose your ship instantly due to an autokill".....

Look around into other games...the players have changed....all these babysitter games that let you loose nothing for your actions are there and have success...this is nothing you can ignore in any way.....

And i'm just talking about high.......
Low and 0.0 can and should be a whole other story....you are not forced to go there and THERE can be free pvp no need to change anything...but NOT in high......

I don't really like market PvP. I accept that many players do and that's fine but CCP shouldn't force me to participate in playstyles I don't enjoy. You buy and sell and do all that stuff if you want, but CCP should make available to people like me the items we need to enjoy the game at a fixed npc price. It's easily done, they can just import the scripts from the test server.

The final solution to the Jita local problem would probably be running jita local in anti-flooding mode that used to be for trials.
Or at least bring the old flooding controls back for trials/alphas. (You used to only be able to post once per two minutes in a chat channel or something with a trial account.)
The ability for local chat to not impact your computer would probably help a lot as well...(like being able to close local and use constellation/region chat instead :D (you didn't know those existed, did you? )

I say lets have a snowball fight at Jita 4-4 Christmas eve! 8pm server time. Also doubling isk if you send me 10mil. You must follow these rules first...
1. No arguing semantics about gameplay on forums
2. No championing of safe zones in EVE.
3. Must have been to the EvE Gate at least once in your life. Please provide proof
4. Please keep your fedo on a leash while in station at Jita.
5. Send me pie.

What about a radius of 100km around any Jita station = no fire zone ? (unable to lock anything within radius or activate smartbombs) => That would kill the game too ?

It seems that any kind of proposed change is well discussed and denied cause: "it will kill ma' game!"
Maybe I'm too old for this game, too much kids who thinks that nothing must change, ever ... not willing to offend anyone but ... it's the harsh truth. Defining a single system or multiple (Jita, Dodixie, Rens, Amarr) as no-fire-zones won't kill the game, but will force the gankers to change their tactics and that's something they don't wanna change.

INRP: Caldari, Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar houses have the highest interest to have their market systems as safe as possible - I don't see a problem here. Cynosural fields, bubbles and bombs are already banned in hisec ... how much will hurt defining some systems are no-fire-zones ? It won't! It will actually bump the economy and shipments to the houses.


But anyway, roleplay story of EVE is just a story, nothing actually followed the real events - even the EVE cinematics did nothing within the game. I subscribed after I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw - where is that gate today (almost 2017) ?

You have that exactly backwards, for the most part it's those of us who have seen 40 come and go who understand that this video game is not served by offering more safety, it's hurt by that. It's the younger "I'm afraid of my space pixles dying, because mah feelings" crowd that wants more safety.

It has nothing to do with ganking either (many of us who don't want to see ever more safety added to the game don't even gank and even find the practice lame), BUT, if you want to be safe from ganking, the game gives all the tools anyone needs. People refuse to use those tool and would rather run to mommy CCP for fixes.

Some of us can see what 'more safety' does to a game like this. And we know it's just not a good idea, EVE is a video game, video games (especially one's like EVE) are about conflict and problem solving not comfort and safety. IMO it's too much comfort that's been hurting the game for so long, EVE was a growing game when it said "here is a space ship, figure it out" than it is not with all these safeties and safety pop ups and whatever.

I'm truly and completely behind this (in high as i said).

There is simply no need for a free pvp whatsoever in high...high should be safe in any way....

As i said i'm not against pvp...there can be pvp anywhere else,even in high if it is sanctioned by both parties....but ganking and griefing in high is simply not modern anymore....those said games outside of eve have success with the complete opposite of that what is happening here and an adjustment to them has to be made.......

to say this again......this is not about pvp...this is about "let pve live without your hobby".......just respect their way of play....