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Salvos Rhoska
#21 - 2016-12-18 11:17:24 UTC
Maria Senseye wrote:
Defining Jita as a no fire zone ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.

No.

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Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#22 - 2016-12-18 11:40:09 UTC
the moment jita isn't lagging is the moment i worry about this game
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-12-18 11:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravas Geloris
how a normal person thinks : We have to adjust certain things here to make it better

How the veteran eve player thinks : CHANGE IS EVIL!!! EVERY CHANGE HAS TO BE STOPPED EVE HAS NOT TO CHANGE A SLIGHT BIT THIS IS MY GAME........

Get adult people.....change is not evil and a change to the more casual sight is necessary.....

All games around are used to be this way.....eve has to adept to this....

And yes that means non pvp flagging.....this won't hurt nobody...just these idiots that think firing on an unarmed ship is THE definition of "fun".....and its not a pity if those people leave the game......

not at all.....
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#24 - 2016-12-18 12:10:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Ravas Geloris wrote:
how a normal person thinks : We have to adjust certain things here to make it better

How the veteran eve player thinks : CHANGE IS EVIL!!! EVERY CHANGE HAS TO BE STOPPED EVE HAS NOT TO CHANGE A SLIGHT BIT THIS IS MY GAME........

Get adult people.....change is not evil and a change to the more casual sight is necessary.....

All games around are used to be this way.....eve has to adapt to this....

And yes that means non pvp flagging.....this won't hurt nobody...just these idiots that think firing on an unarmed ship is THE definition of "fun".....and its not a pity if those people leave the game......

not at all.....

Casual gameplay has got nothing to do with the OPs proposal. Also you don't even have to be IN Jita to do stuff in Jita. Not unless you feel the need to spam local.

Remove standings and insurance.
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-12-18 12:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravas Geloris
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:
how a normal person thinks : We have to adjust certain things here to make it better

How the veteran eve player thinks : CHANGE IS EVIL!!! EVERY CHANGE HAS TO BE STOPPED EVE HAS NOT TO CHANGE A SLIGHT BIT THIS IS MY GAME........

Get adult people.....change is not evil and a change to the more casual sight is necessary.....

All games around are used to be this way.....eve has to adapt to this....

And yes that means non pvp flagging.....this won't hurt nobody...just these idiots that think firing on an unarmed ship is THE definition of "fun".....and its not a pity if those people leave the game......

not at all.....

Casual gameplay has got nothing to do with Jita. And you don't even have to be IN Jita to do stuff in Jita. Not unless you feel the need to spam local.



It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed.....

Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property.....

THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people.....

They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to......

Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#26 - 2016-12-18 12:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Ravas Geloris wrote:


It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed.....

Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property.....

THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people.....

They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to......

Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so



empty threats, lol....

Just Add Water
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-12-18 12:23:13 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:


It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed.....

Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property.....

THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people.....

They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to......

Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so



empty threats, lol....



Don't like the message so you have to devalue it so you can live on with your pinky pokemon eve dream.....?

Sad sad person you are......

I pity you.......
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#28 - 2016-12-18 12:34:08 UTC
Ravas Geloris wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:


It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed.....

Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property.....

THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people.....

They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to......

Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so



empty threats, lol....



Don't like the message so you have to devalue it so you can live on with your pinky pokemon eve dream.....?

Sad sad person you are......

I pity you.......


same can be said about your post. you do't like the game mechanics and so you cry here in the forums, like a little child having his tantrums. Roll

if you don't like the game, just quit man. it would be better for all of us. keep your stuff and include them when you biomass. Lol

Just Add Water
Salvos Rhoska
#29 - 2016-12-18 12:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ravas Geloris wrote:
Don't like the message so you have to devalue it so you can live on with your pinky pokemon eve dream.....?

Sad sad person you are......

I pity you.......


What exactly are you suggesting be done?

That people can click an option and become immune to PvP?

That nobody can fire on anyone else in Jita?

Be specific.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#30 - 2016-12-18 12:47:50 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:
Don't like the message so you have to devalue it so you can live on with your pinky pokemon eve dream.....?

Sad sad person you are......

I pity you.......


What exactly are you suggesting be done?

That people can click an option and become immune to PvP?

That nobody can fire on anyone else in Jita?

Be specific.

He wants the special kids hockey helmet, bubblewrap and crayons treatment.....just no window licking, hes beyond that one.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#31 - 2016-12-18 12:48:43 UTC
Maria Senseye wrote:
From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!

Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.

Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.


No.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-12-18 13:08:02 UTC
It's really simple.

You are able to get shot anywhere in space in EvE.

Jita is no exception. End of discussion.

There is no gain by getting Jita to be a no fire zone, except cuddling players who cannot handle losses or flies around with too much stuff in their ships. Look, the new tutorial forces you to lose a ship, cause CCP is trying to tell you that lossing ships is part of the game.

In terms of your PC performance, then I have to ask if you are gaming on a potato? I have a fairly mediocre system and I often go to Jita. Sure, it takes a bit longer for the system to load when I undock from Jita 4-4, but besides that I don't see any noteworthy lag.

But as people have said, upgrade your system or just avoid Jita if you are gaming on a potato. Besides that, I'd maybe check if the lag comes from your end. Maybe you have some background applications that takes too much resources or maybe your net is unstable.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#33 - 2016-12-18 13:16:05 UTC
Ravas Geloris wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:
how a normal person thinks : We have to adjust certain things here to make it better

How the veteran eve player thinks : CHANGE IS EVIL!!! EVERY CHANGE HAS TO BE STOPPED EVE HAS NOT TO CHANGE A SLIGHT BIT THIS IS MY GAME........

Get adult people.....change is not evil and a change to the more casual sight is necessary.....

All games around are used to be this way.....eve has to adapt to this....

And yes that means non pvp flagging.....this won't hurt nobody...just these idiots that think firing on an unarmed ship is THE definition of "fun".....and its not a pity if those people leave the game......

not at all.....

Casual gameplay has got nothing to do with Jita. And you don't even have to be IN Jita to do stuff in Jita. Not unless you feel the need to spam local.



It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed.....

Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property.....

THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people.....

They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to......

Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so

I could write a novel here but I'm not James 315.

OP could have asked CCP any sensible thing to get the load off Jita and the same people would have rallied behind him. Instead he chose to ask for a non PvP zone in EVE.

One just doesn't ask for that in EVE. Period.

Remove standings and insurance.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2016-12-18 13:29:29 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:

- stop going jita
The thread could have been closed right here at the first response, since it's the only legit answer.

Mr Epeen Cool
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#35 - 2016-12-18 13:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Belt Scout
(Sung to the tune of the mickey mouse song)

Where's the lag, the OP claims, that none of us can see?
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Marcus Blackthorn
Royal Assassins Guild
Chained Reactions
#36 - 2016-12-18 15:04:59 UTC
Maria Senseye wrote:
From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!

Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.

Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.


Posts like this make me wish there was a "dislike" button.
Demonspawn 666
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-12-18 15:07:46 UTC
I wanna blow up the OP in Jita now P

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Thomas Lot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-12-18 15:35:56 UTC
Ha Ha hahahahahaha





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no
Salvos Rhoska
#39 - 2016-12-18 15:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
To rephrase OP, how about this:

-"CCP please: No Jita."


Predictions by fringe scientists originally thought to be impossible, have proven to be true...

The unprecedented volume and frequency of warp drive use in the Jita system has destabilized the fabric of local space/time with catastrophic, irreversible and unexpected secondary affect on the Jita solar system's star.

It is now confirmed that the Jita system star will experience a cataclysmic supernova event of unprecedented destructive power, resulting in the obliteration of all installations in the solar system, in exactly 365 days from this date.

Scientists have theorised that due to to not entirely understood peculiarities of this event, the closer to the date of supernova we are, the more system wide effects may occur which are debilitating to space travel and module operation in the Jita system (not unlike those experienced in some j-space systems).

The occurrence and type of these system wide anomalies will be increasingly unpredictable and forceful, the closer to the date of the final event.

All locals are strongly advised to immediately begin evacuating assets out of the system, or risk greater and unpredictable difficulty in doing so later.


Following the event, best possible predictions indicate the Jita system will become:

-A system with frequent occurrence of wormholes. Albeit, unlike Thera, these wormholes will typically connect to other systems of high incidence of warpdrive use. (Ie Trade hubs or perhaps conflict centers)
-The system will experience periodically changing anomalies which affect space travel/module use, akin to j-space.
-Structure construction will likely be possible, with restrictions.
-It is unlikely the Jump Gates will be remain operational. Meaning the Jita system will only be accessible through WHs from other systems of frequent waprdrive use.


In my proposal:
-Jita must be evacuated. Players have 365 days to get their assets out, The longer they wait, the greater the risk of changing, frequent debilitating system wide effects on their efforts.
-On the end of the 365th day, Jita will be destroyed in fire.
-Jita is changed from a monolithic tradehub, to a unique "central" access hub to other trade hubs, via wormholes that connect to systems with high warpdrive use.
-The Jita system will continue to experience changing system-wide anomalies, meaning you will have to refit/reship and consider when you pass through the Jita system to go to other systems of high warpdrive activity.
-I propose these wormholes do not require probing, they occur as anomalies, but you must pass through to find the destination.
-Structures, with restrictions, can be built in Jita, but it remains un-ownable space.
-Jump gates to and from Jita will no longer function.


Hows that?
BURN JITA., and it will rise like a Phoenix from the fire as something new.
Its a monolithic malignant tumor on the face of EVE that centralizes conflict/competition/interaction in a simple dynamic, rather than widespread exponentially more numerous cases of dynamic conflict/competi4ion/interaction anywhere/everywhere else.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-12-18 17:19:38 UTC
Ravas Geloris wrote:
I am not aware enough of the long history of failed changes, "fixing" things that were not broken rather than the things that actually were, incomplete and/or terribly mutated changes, etc to EvE to understand why players might be very wary of changes to the game that has survived so long because it is so far unique and awesome

So I will - somewhat ironically - throw a tantrum telling others to get adult and assume they simply fear all change.



As a child to an adult, I say: No thank you, sir.




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