EVE General Discussion

Yes and no.

You will find that even multi-year veterans will use Tech 1 Frigates because they are either...

- "cost effective" (Tech 2, Tech 3, and Faction ships are an order of magnitude more expensive and effectively have no insurable value)
- they are good at what they do (just because something is more expensive and/or a higher tech level, it does not necessarily mean it is a straight upgrade... some specialist ships give up certain traits or stats for higher stats in other areas).


Moreover, just because you can't fly that "sexy" ship right away, it does not mean you can't perform a certain task.
More often than not, a simple adaptation to your tactics can make you just as safe and/or effective.

For example:
A Venture may not be able to use a cloaking device (well, it can, but it would not be as effective as a Covert-Ops cloak), but you can fit it for extra mobility and be extra vigilant.
That vigilance can often save you if you can react quickly enough.


Here's the thing; you are not supposed to be able to train every skill in a short amount of time.

And you do not need to have "max skills" before you try anything.

Why?
Because skills generally only grant you a 5% bonus here, 10% bonus there for each level (exceptions apply).
And the bulk of a skills training time is from level 4 to level 5.

What this means for you is...
If you train all the skills you need to perform a task to level 4, you will be fly at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a person with those same skills maxed out... in only 20 to 25% of the time.

And this is before you take tactics, knowledge, and ship fits into account... which can count for a lot and help any player regardless of what skills they have (or don't have).


I should also add that someone did some napkin math awhile back and found that it would take 20-something years to max out every skill in the game.
Hell... I have been playing since 2009 and I have yet to max out every ship and combat related skill.

Why is the system this way?
To encourage you to work with people who have those skills.


For example:
You may have the skills and aptitude for mining.
Another person may have the skills and desire to be a good hauler.

You are both in the ass end of nowhere, you both know there are hostiles hiding behind every corner, and you both find an asteroid that is worth a lot of money.

You can't haul all of that rock back to a trade hub because you do not have all the skills you need to fly a hauler.
The other guy can't mine that quickly/efficiently because he does not have the necessary skills or equipment to do so.
So a deal is now struck; you mine, he hauls.

Granted, this is an oversimplified situation... but it should convey the gist of the system.
Not everyone can do everything effectively by themselves.



Another thing is consider is that larger, more expensive ships generally require more experience (in addition to skillpoints) to fly. Otherwise they become nothing more than expensive lessons in "what not to do."

So the skill system, in a sense, is forcing you to take your time and experiment with the ships and equipment you currently have.
It is better to learn your lessons now in cheaper stuff that can be replaced with a few, quick level 2 missions than with stuff you spent a month or so grinding for.

I'm gonna burn in hell for saying this but if you want to bypass what most all of us long timers had to do just buy Skill injectors..

Before pay to win was introduced EVERYBODY paid with their time to be able to fly nice things, now any dort can throw money at the game and fly what they want to fly, it's sad really but that's progress I guess.

EVE isn't WoW, there is no direct progression, there is no end-game.

Players have had a significant impact on the game, and made a name for themselves, using T1 ships and low skills. You should be looking at how to make your mark on EVE, or carve-out your own little slice of heaven in this game, by means other than following what you believe to be the closest WoW-like progression the game has to offer.

You can be more than that, better than that.

Age is no barrier. Become what you want to become, until your dying breath, you owe yourself no less.

I have started playing at the age of 47, the friend that signaled the game to me has 39 or 40 years old.
After ten years and a hiatus of a couple of years we both are playing again. Plenty of people that I know in game has my age and has started relatively recently.
So starting at 40 is nothing special.

The healthy life expectancy in western Europe is at 70 or above, in the USA 69.1.

That's incredibly disingenuous. You've been able to buy ready made characters for years.

Pastries? Nothing more disappointing than a stale pastry........

Well sort of, that used to be my gripe as well, but these days you can buy injectors to speed up your skills, so the more time/income you make the faster you can train. Really T1 ships should not take you long, the real "F this, it's way to long" curve starts with T2 ships, also any skills that require 20 plus days. for those into living in the game it's normal but for you and me and others with less time to commit it's a bit more of a, your kidding right? Then again, skill injectors.

As far as ships if you want to make much more money in pve head to Battle ships without training to much of other classes. it's more risky but L4 missions are way above in pay grade then what you make in L3's. If you rush to use a BS, get your drone skills up, because otherwise you will get webbed by a frig and loose your big shiny ship. Would also recommend a snipe type build with big guns as you will lack skills for more tactical and tank oriented fighting. After you start making the money you can train skills that make you more combat efficient, with that income you can buy injectors and speed the whole process up. Also read "eve survival" before you attempt L4's, it will tell you what to expect in a mission and what type of damage is incoming and what ammo to use.

As far as mining, well I know nothing of it :D

From my point of view this is one of the best games for people with little gaming time. I can set up a training queue and return after a few days. I can set up production and research jobs lasting weeks, I can set up planet production so that it last for several days.
Sure, my corp can frown on a long absence or even throw me out, but that is a decision taken by human players, not by the mechanics of the game.

This game is not for you. Play acndycrush instead, it fits you better.

It takes 22 days to fly a Buzzard, and it takes another 22 days to fly an ares, but then it takes no time to fly a helios or a raptor. Is it a bug or something :P

22 days is really not a long train in EVE, even some T1 ships take a full year to sit in. You're only 40 years old. My corp boss was older when he started playing, and now even his third character can fly a carrier with max related skills.