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[Feedback Request] Custom probe formation in the scanning system

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2016-12-21 19:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map.
Aurora Athonille
JOFA Incorporated
#42 - 2016-12-21 21:09:10 UTC
Reading this thread I find myself wondering if anyone else is using the Alt key + mouse wheel to control the scanning radius of their probes...

As for the question at hand, I have just used the default pinpoint formation since it was introduced. I did other things before, but never bothered to build my own custom formation since then. Guess I'm just too lazy. I probably should at least try it out and come back with more constructive comments.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2016-12-21 23:10:11 UTC
Before probe formations were introduced, I would always scan with just 4 probes arranged in a diagonally-canted horizontal square (aka diamond) formation. The only advantage to using more probes seems to be when you're not sure of the target's location. At lower skills, it's especially tricky to determine where the object is, but with a bit of deductive reasoning combined with an understanding of how the probe results work, one can determine how to move the probes such that the location is hit by all 4 probes, thus giving a maximum accuracy result and allowing you to scan at a lower radius.


I feel that the built-in formations should be adequate yet sub-optimal. There should be some (small) benefit to a player who manipulates the probes manually, which should be especially important to characters with lower skillpoints in scanning skills.

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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#44 - 2016-12-22 13:48:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map.


Was saying the same thing. We dont need to make it overly easy, but for large warpable objects we should be able to do this.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2016-12-22 14:39:27 UTC
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map.
Was saying the same thing. We dont need to make it overly easy, but for large warpable objects we should be able to do this.

Howabout a center control arrow-box that is simply connected to your formation and can be moved to move all your probes at once?

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-12-22 18:24:05 UTC
When you are upgrading the probe system could you introduce a new rig "SD card reader" where you can safe scan results. Even if the results are saved locally for 6h it would be a big improvement.
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#47 - 2016-12-23 14:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
edit: removed misunderstood a post.
Eldeni
Czarna-Kompania
Czarna-Kompania.
#48 - 2016-12-30 12:29:36 UTC
Hi, im WH dweller for over 5 years and a scanner:

95% i use pinpoint, 4% spread, 1% custom - with custom is just the pinpoint but more narrow if one of my alts cant scan to 100%, sometimes i use cube or anyother just for fun and expermineting. I never use custom in combat scanning, too much time it is needed, custom only in exploration.

About the new and the old - i use old. Tried several times the new, but its slower than the old one. I need less shinny and more useful tool. From what i know from my former copr scanners where using only the old system. Saddly WH life is slowly deing.

Fly safe
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2017-01-02 10:45:22 UTC
Hey folks,

Thanks for all the feedback so far, just catching up on it all now after some Christmas vacation.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters

uhnboy ghost
retard hills
#50 - 2017-01-02 23:28:43 UTC
1. Do you use custom probe formations when scanning?
for almoste all combat sites i use the pinpoint but for combatprobing hard to scan ships and mtus and the the superior sleeper cache data site i use a custom "cube" to get the last 2%

2. What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible
http://i.imgur.com/EKKF3KT.png the "cube" i use

3. Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations?

to get the last 1-5% on realy hard to hit sites/ships, but the standard ccp made pinpoint is realy good from the start

4. Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both?
see 1.

on a side note, i scan ALOT everyday and still use the old probe window etc in the new one i just cant see anything, BUT the new d-scan is amasing so i have tryed to force my self to use it but its so hard to see what sig you scanning etc, whit the small lines and not all of the sig filled up like the old one, and having to use the new map whit the new scan window.
so i always give up and go back to the old one

//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#51 - 2017-01-03 14:42:23 UTC
I use pinpoint formation for almost everything, custom formation to nail down particularly hard scans. If I need to cover a wider area to establish a rough position, I'll just use a larger pinpoint formation instead of a spread formation.

I've found that EvE is far too three dimensional to justify using a two dimensional scan pattern.

Suggestion: rename pinpoint formation to something along the lines of "spherical formation". It would still be descriptive and it wouldn't imply that it isn't effective at broad volume searches.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2017-01-03 16:44:32 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I use pinpoint formation for almost everything, custom formation to nail down particularly hard scans. If I need to cover a wider area to establish a rough position, I'll just use a larger pinpoint formation instead of a spread formation.

Same here. I avoid spread formation not because I don't spread my probes out, but because the spread formation just isn't a very good formation. One of the ways I ever use a custom formation is to make a custom spread formation, which is a bit flatter than pinpoint but mostly just overlapping less.

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Danbert
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2017-01-03 20:00:01 UTC
1. Yes
2. Super tight Pin Point formation.
3. Gives a slight improvment on scan strength, sometimes required to get that last few % on a difficult sig.
4. Usually only when exploring.
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2017-01-04 01:42:19 UTC
I use cube custom formation with two presets as far as sphere distances and sizes go (though I scan rarely these days). Other than that I change range/distances on the fly as needed

I once experimented (shortly) with 2 tertahedrons to do 2 signatures at the same time but .... that was one giant PITA, as the interface is not exactly friendly towards treating them as 2 separate groups. The idea behind it was to use the scan-strength-power-creep for something useful but .... yea.

That brings me to ....

.... not that a custom formation is that much different in practice from predefined formations - sadly the whole scanning "game" has been rather dumbed down since the initial introduction, mixed with aforementioned power-creep boosting on top of everything - so you can handle any signature with nearly anything with main difference being like what - one more step ?

TBH, would be nice to go [back] to no-predefined formations / skills determine amount of probes times.

On a related not, can we please get damn checkbox to turn off damn, irritating, frustrating and now pointless bubble grabbing; as we have have 3 - three ! - other ways to do so) ? For crying out loud, you had good thing going for a moment on SiSi.

Same goes for few other suggestions that were diligently ignored when the threads about probe maps were active.

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Nuhrp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2017-01-06 01:22:47 UTC
Hello.

I am an extensive user and use custom formations. Related suggestion.

Choosing from the menu of what to see on the new map is difficult; believe it ro not - too many unused choices in my opinion.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2017-01-06 04:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I have an idea: remove the two default probe formations, put in a basic mediocre formation that lazy people can go to (perhaps a cube in which each probe scan radius overlaps exactly to the nearest adjacent probe), and allow/force players to create and save their own probe formations for future use, and allow sharing of probe formation setups.

Don't bother making a good formation for us. Let us make them for ourselves. That's the kind of game this is.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#57 - 2017-01-06 11:32:55 UTC
Hey folks,

Thanks for all the feedback.

Your replies have been great and really interesting to see how people use them. Going to close this thread now as I think we have enough information.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters

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