EVE General Discussion

There's no issues with moving about in hi-sec if your sec status are -5 or lower.

People should be not so glib as to simply point out - "ganker's ship got concorded, it's in the rules, end of discussion." Imagine the uproar If ccp were to implement a decoy launcher that launched decoys that were concorded instead of the ship, and the ship that did the lauching merely got suspect status. that is essentially what the thrasher in this scenario is, it's a decoy. There is even room to save the character and avoid the sec status dumpster rule by buying tags en masse.

I will most certainly use the methods to get around this mentioned in the thread, as I now do to avoid sabres while exploring, and thank you to the people that offered helpful advice. however ccp reserves the right to amend their rules, and i think this may be the time.

What makes you think this time is different than the other 12 years of ignorant people saying the exact same thing?

Would you rather just have me going around ganking anyone and everyone instead of those being foolish/ignorant? Because what you think needs to be changed would make it impossible to gank for profit.

No, it is how you get emergence and spontaneous order....maybe it is sloppy, but it gives rise to unique forms of game play. It is actually wondrous.

Right because he, and players like him--and sadly they are legion, do not understand the basic nature of this game. CCP provides some basic rules and the players in the game figure out how to do a variety of things given those rules. Further, CCP tends to take a hands off approach to the game. Unless there is an obvious problem (e.g. nano-hacs, drone assist, tracking titans, etc.) CCP does not intervene. They do not change the rules because player A takes on too much risk, which is exactly what the OP did.

People who complain about risk in this game 99.9% of the time are talking out of their ass. They do not see that the opportunity for the ganker was created by another player who engaged in risk seeking behavior. That is a choice. Most people would figure that putting officer modules on your T1 mission battleship is foolish. They would think this because once somebody scans your ship and realizes you have such an expensive fit you will almost surely be ganked a short time later.

But do the same thing with your freighter and then get ganked by CODE., Goons, etc. why it is a crime against humanity and if CCP does not act immediately CCP is condoning the activities of hundreds of sociopaths who like to drown puppies in toilets. They whine incessantly about the lack of risk for the gankers, but ignore that the ganked took on a tremendous amount of risk...by his actions. Either through ignorance or arrogance the freighter pilot was seeking risk. Either those crusading against this injustice are either too stupid or are being deliberately obtuse on this point.

Anyone who complains about freighter ganking is an ignoramus. They do not understand risk. That risk is not something the game alone creates, but it is also heavily dependent on players actions.

There is, by and large, symmetry in ganking. One player creates the ganking opportunity, and the other player(s) take advantage of it. Stop the first part, creating the ganking opportunity and you negate the second part you dimwits. You are champions for fools who put great big targets on their back that say, "GANK ME!!!!" That is what you are defending, imprudent pilots who took on too much risk.

The solution is not to change the game mechanics...the solution is goddamn wise up when loading up your ship. Either with modules or cargo.

Why is this so goddamn hard for people to figure out?

When did they ever say these things?

You can etc. etc. all you like, but unless you can quote where CCP said any of these things, you are just blowing smoke out your carebear butt.

Another option for the OP would be to unload the valuable exploration loot in a safe system and then use a hauling service or use a proper hauling ship to get the loot to a Trade Hub. Using a Exploration ship for hauling in busy systems seems like a bad idea for a number of reasons.

1. A Exploration ship is usually very weak on EHP, especially compared to a Industrial ship fitted to maximize it.
2. Exploration ships on route to a Trade Hub seems like the perfect target for Gankers due to low EHP and certain profit.
3. Exploration ships, atleast advanced ones, are usually quite expensive and it seems a bit unneccesary to risk both loosing your valuable loot AND a pricey ship.

Wtf.

You say "no", and then proceed to basically repeat what I have already said twice over.

Is it sloppy? Yes.
Fortunately there is an equally sloppy workaround in terms of tricks involving dociking/undocking.

As I have already acknowledged SPECIFICALLY, this creates an inadvertent window of opportunity for PvP in otherwise very restricted rules of engagement in HS (and ofc in all docking elsewhere in EVE).

If a player does not take these precautions out of laziness, that is their own fault.
But it irks me somewhat that the system is so counter-intuitive that there are thousands of players that dont even know that docking does infact not work the way they understandably assume it to. Do you get what I mean?

If EVE had gameplay tips on the loading screen like many other games, "Be sure to establish and use safe bookmarks for un/docking proceedures!" would surely he among them. Perhaps the NPE tutorials should teach them.

You don't appear to understand that the game is an example of emergence and spontaneous order--i.e. that it is a a sand box.

Emergence yields lager "entities" via the interaction of smaller entities. Spontaneous order is the emergence of structure out of what appears to be chaos. These two concepts are what gives us the sandbox.

That you cannot see unique and novel forms of game play arising out of what CCP has given us is...well...a short coming on your part.

And I say that as somebody who more often than not likes your posts.

I'm not gonna waste my time looking for quotes. I've been an active player far longer than you've been a forum alt. Actually that tells me you're an even bigger carebear than I am. Try pulling your head out and take a look at all the recent changes CCP has done to gain new players.

By the way, in the past 10 months that you've been here all I ever see you do is toss BS around these forums.



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