EVE General Discussion

Jonah Gravenstein is absolutely correct here. I'll tell you something though, if you look at my sec status history it almost looks like a sin wave or something. I gank. I go from .2 sec to -2.something, buy ~90 mil in tags and spend about another 30 mil for CONCORD to "fix" it, and repeat. after that I'm good to gank another 10 or so haulers in 1.0 sec space. THAT is what MOST highsec campers do.

yea well sometimes when ganking you get bored and just shoot the next thing that comes by and is worth something. Not every shuttle has shiny implants, plex, or dank skill books.

lol carebear pubbies.

There was another tool available for getting that loot through the possibility of a gank: the courier contract. You drop the loot in a station a few jumps from Jita, create a courier contract with sufficient collateral to keep someone from flying off with it,and let someone else get it through the gankers.

in all honesty, this is the only time i can advice to legit use the autopilot.

when you arrive at Jita system while 'waypoint' is still set to the Jita 4-4, warp to your 'docking' bookmark rather than 'dock' to station.
AFTER you click 'warp' and start to warp, you then activate autopilot.
no need to spam the 'dock' button, you will dock on the next tick, guaranteed.

again reminder, if you press 'dock' to station instead of warping to your 'docking' bookmark and hit autopilot you will stop far away from the station and you will propbaly die. also, you click autopilot AFTER or DURING the warp to your 'docking' bookmark.

OP has, understandably, misunderstood how these involved systems work.

Its pretty complicated to wrap ones head around at first, but it makes sense once you get it.

Just to summarize:
1-The character that blapped OP, did so within rules.
2-The character that looted his wreck, did so within rules.
3-The character that blapped OP, was not a "recycled" character to avoid sec loss. Its an old character that follows the rules.
4-The attackers ship was destroyed by CONCORD, as is within rules, and suffered sec loss, within rules.
5-There is no evidence that the attacker attempted to split CONCORD reaction, by committing a crime simultaneously elsewhere, which would be against the rules.
6-The character that looted the wreck, was declared a suspect, making them vulnerable to non-CONCORD related player aggression, without gate gun or CONCORD support, within rules.There is no sec loss for this, albeit it can be argued there should be.
7-Unfortunately the game system is imperfect and counter-intuitive in terms of safely docking and undocking from stations.
--This requires the "tricks" outlined by other posters:
----To safely dock, you must set up a bookmark in the immediate physical proximity of the station, to which you warp, whilst having the station itself as your defined destination. You then engage autopilot midwarp, which will dock you immediately into the station destination upon arrival at the proximal warp destination bookmark.
----To safely undock, you must create a bookmark preferably >100km from the station, to which you will warp on undocking. To create this safe undock bookmark, you fly an expendable ship/pod without altering its course after undocking out to the desired distance.

On the one hand, its sad that such fiddly and counter-intuitive tricks are required. but on the otherhand ship destruction, risk and opportunity for aggression are crucial especially in HS, which is secured by NPC/systemic restrictions.

They are not loopholes or de facro faults in the system, rather they are narrow windows of opporunity inorder to ensure PvP and aggression is present in HS as well.

Other measures, as pointed out by other posters, are:
-Creating Courier contracts for someone else to transport your material into and out of the dangerous station.
---Note to set collateral sufficient to prevent them stealing your cargo, and set a competitive reward.
-Fly characters in Wardecced corps at your own risk. Avoid this by either tranferring to/NPC/creating a new corp, or flying a character in an un-wardecced corp.
-Fly with sufficient tank, T2 cloaking, MWD/Cloak trick where possible, and/or very fast alignment times, as well as hulls best suited for those roles as weighed against the value/mass of cargo to be moved.
-Never let your guard down. HS is not "safe", for anyone.

If I this were any more of an eye-roller, someone would have to roll them back to me.

I have thousands of personal bookmarks. About 3 of them are station docks, a few dozen or so are insta-undocks, and the rest are things like POS/jump bridges, safes, gate pings, etc.

It's not even remotely comparable to when pretty much everyone needed a WTZ bookmark for EVERY gate, to the point that mass copying them for entire regions was a lucrative business for some.

I'd wager I'm on the low end of the scale... By a lot. How many bookmarks do you think are in a merely "adequate" set of gate pings for a region?

Try undocking sometime, there's a big universe out there.

CONCORD's purpose is to destroy the ship of anyone who engages in illegal aggression in HS. That is what happened. The hauler was not engaged in aggression. He was engaged in theft, so he got a suspect timer.

I disagree that this is sad. It is exactly what this game is about, "[T]he arising of novel and coherent structures, patterns and properties during the process of self-organization in complex systems".--Jeffery Goldstein