EVE General Discussion

I came back from my first successful exploration run in a while, only to be oneshotted by a thrasher waiting by the common warp-in point outside jita. Now while that in itself is a massive blow to morale (Right through the jaws of sabres, cloaky relic/data site traps, tactical destroyers, gate camps, only to for this to happen? gimme a break already!), I noticed something else.


There was also a cargo ship waiting at the same location. It simply picked up whatever was left of the 80 million in my hold while the thrasher was concorded. The whole situation seemed.. not right. Is this not technically a form of evading concord? The killing ship was destroyed, but the same person picked up the loot without consequence.

The consequence to that person was losing the ship that shot you, plus losing some Sec. rating to his character, who will eventually get past -5 and become free-for-all / have trouble moving through high-sec.

Neutral alt with the industrial is neutral.

You're not safe in high-sec, people will shoot you for your loot or for the kill mail. In null, wh, and even low-sec, you know who your enemies are (everyone you see), in high-sec, you don't know until you get shot at, and by then it's too late.

Ganking is Darwinism, and Darwinism is good & needed in EVE. If you get ganked you get the award.

Exactly this.

If you want to annoy gankers and profit, undock a shuttle with a scrap metal double-wrap package in Jita 4-4 and wait ... set the killright to 10-20M and enjoy the pay. Pick a new alpha account/char and repeat.

Nobody is avoiding any consequences here. The consequence for illegally attacking a ship in HS is a sec status hit and CONCORD. The consequence for looting a wreck that isn't yours is a suspect timer. I would make a bet and say that both things have happened.

As for the poster that is claiming that ganking is "risk free": The risk involved with ganking is that your mark doesn't die, doesn't drop the loot or that someone snatches the can before you do, in which cases you'd lose your ship and sec status, but get nothing. There's also the risk of getting your loot ship bumped and caught. The tankier your target, the higher the risk and the bigger the loss. That people who specialize in a certain type of gameplay have learned to minimize the risk involved doesn't mean it's risk free, and this happens with all sorts of mechanics in Eve: If you know what you are doing, you are more likely to succeed. It would be rather silly if it was not like that.

In the same sense I could claim that flying into Jita is absolutely risk free, as people who know what they are doing can avoid ganks and wardecs. It doesn't really mean it's risk free at all, as OPs lossmail proves, but you can minimize that risk if you just l2p.

Take OPs Probe for example. Had he done two things, he would have lived with near certainty:

1. Fit a Cloak and MWD-cloak-warp after a gate jump.
2. Make an "insta-dock" bookmark on the jita 4-4 station, and while warping to it use the autopilot to instantly dock.

Doing that, he would at no point even even have been lockable.


Bottom line is, the ganker probably knew what he was doing, he knew where people would warp in from and where they would land, he had a ship fit for the task and a friend or an alt ready and he probably had gathered intel in the form of a cargo scan as well. He had a trap laid out, and OP walked right into it. Working as intended.

Yarr!

No.

You seem to have a point to me, unless someone can explain how you don't. It's a garbage alt. He uses it as a sec-status dumpster. Once sec drops too much, he trashes the character, makes a new one, rinse, repeat. Doesn't seem like he's out anything.

Didn't I read somewhere at some point that this technically isn't allowed? Though whether or not it's enforced in any way, is a different matter.

Everything is working as intended.

Yes, HS pirates have found a niche/crack in the system, but they also overall introduce risk andfar more importantly ship/asset destruction to HS.

CONCORD has very specific rules of engagement. The looting alt is only suspect, and CONCORD doesnt care, nor have any means of knowing, whether they are associated with the gankers.

It is an arrangement of mutual, symbiotic advantage. The more material they destroy, the greater your own margins.
Offset by the risk that you might be the next target yourself.

Ship and material destruction is fundamentally crucial ro the EVE economy.

If you want safe, informed transit of materials, go to NS.
But even NS deals with HS markets, eventually.