EVE General Discussion

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Agree.

wat?!?! lol

Separate cans increase window of vulnerability of typically cloaked explorers, whom are otherwise undetectable.

Separate cans open tactical options, such as only hacking the worthwhile ones as scanned with modules in the interest of reducing duration of vulnerability, as well as deliberately leaving uncompleted sites as bait or to annoy locals. Plus any number of other creative optiòns.

Especially in systems with Local, it is ridiculously easy to run them safely, or hide till you are alone again, as is now.

Your entosis suggestion as an alternative to data/relic analyzers, is intriguing.

But:
-What about equity to relic and/or data skilled and fitted explorers? Your suggestion stands to destroy ship/skill balance.
-Is it really desirable that an entosis ship can simply orbit a can, and completely sidestep the hacking minigame?
-The hacking minigame divides the attention of an explorer, whilst they are exposed. An entosis ship can simply largely afk or watch local/DScan whilst doing nothing else. This is especially true for j-space.

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I was initially against the removal of loot spew from cans as was in the past.

But it was brought to my attention, and I watched on twitch, how badly this affected EVE heroes with severe and debilitating handicaps. The micro was unmanageable for them, and since their disabilities made participation already difficult in more involved activities in EVE, I completely redacted my opposition,with no reservations, in their favor, so they can explore to their hearts content and capability.

It was one of my most formative experiences ever in EVE, and one where I understood how important this game is to so many of its players, and how we are all in this experience/universe, together. I will never forget that. Despite the competition, conflict and drama, all of us are united in our love of this game, and as such, with each other for being an integral, irreplaceable part of it.

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Update:

In light of this, Im ok with each separate can being hackable by an entosis link, per your proposal, at a 5min duration.
But Im against combining all existing cans into one.
5 mins is far longer than a hacking skilled capsuleer/ship would take, so equity of SP, window of vulnerability, and hull choice remains.

If it means even one of our fellow capsuleers with disabilities can thus find content that doesnt exceed their physical restrictions to complete, Im all for it.

I dont get why relic sites and data sites are seperate.
They hack the same way, they got the same stuff in some cases, but we need 2 things to do them.
I read for the uh.. amarr scanning frigate it doesnt have enough mid slots to use the normal scanning builds cause of how you need a relic analyzer and data one.

Youd think they would combine both items into one module that does both identical functions.
"information matrix decrypter" used for decyphering ancient texts in relic sites and allows for decievering encrypted data sites.
Seems unnecessarily complicated to have them split up.
Slightly off topic, just something thats bothered me the few times ive tried exploration.

As for op ive no idea what an entosis link is so i cant input.

I like the idea of a new site type, but honestly the existing ones are fine as they are mechanically. They just need some spit and polish on the loot tables for data sites.

Any future mechanical adjustments should be made after the fact. Personally I think it would be appropriate to change the gameplay for relic sites and function of relic analyzers, as there's no functional reason to have the exact same mechanics for two separate modules. The dual analyzers are a band aid on a long standing problem: the need for specialized modules to do the same task twice. I always imagined relic sites would be less about hacking and more about a sort of "deep salvaging" with a precision drone with drills and little laser arms and **** to separate the valuable bits from the old crusty bits without destroying them. Not sure how that would translate to gameplay.

As for the modules I'm honestly suprised at this point that CCP hasn't just gone ahead and made the analyzer a scriptable module. The only reason I can see not to is some future plan for revision to the gameplay.

I do not, however, like the idea of an entosis link as a bypass. Hacking modules ARE the bypass mechanic. Entosis links are special purpose modules designed for Sov. They exist specifically for that purpose, and there's nothing wrong with that. Many modules in EVE exist for one specific purpose.