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Best and Worst thing about EvE..
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Satchel Darkmatter
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2016-12-11 13:15:28 UTC
The gaming world should be abuz right now over what I think was confirmed as the biggest NON battle ever to take place in EvE given the defenders were so out gunned they made the only logical choice and packed up and went home leaving 5k players to grind through the awful time dilation and just wait until it exploded.

Honestly this was utter ****, something that should have been utterly epic was a total cluster ****, boring as all hell with most people watching movies on their other monitors, seriously !!!!. and even with all of that I bet people will still romanticise it as if it was like a scene from the trailer or some cool space movie.

I don't know really what I was expecting but I guess I was not expecting to be so disappointed by the whole event..

It's clear to me that CCP just allowing thousands of people to openly jump into a system and battle is a **** idea, it makes for a good headline but no one can possibly think that was fun for anyone involved, I'm not sure what the solution is but I hope CCP actually put some time into thinking about it and possibly come up with something better than this.
Lilith Abaddon
Ethereal Morality
The Initiative.
#2 - 2016-12-11 13:23:34 UTC
Satchel Darkmatter wrote:
The gaming world should be abuz right now over what I think was confirmed as the biggest NON battle ever to take place in EvE given the defenders were so out gunned they made the only logical choice and packed up and went home leaving 5k players to grind through the awful time dilation and just wait until it exploded.

Honestly this was utter ****, something that should have been utterly epic was a total cluster ****, boring as all hell with most people watching movies on their other monitors, seriously !!!!. and even with all of that I bet people will still romanticise it as if it was like a scene from the trailer or some cool space movie.

I don't know really what I was expecting but I guess I was not expecting to be so disappointed by the whole event..

It's clear to me that CCP just allowing thousands of people to openly jump into a system and battle is a **** idea, it makes for a good headline but no one can possibly think that was fun for anyone involved, I'm not sure what the solution is but I hope CCP actually put some time into thinking about it and possibly come up with something better than this.


Can't agree more.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#3 - 2016-12-11 13:25:04 UTC
I dunno. I was going to turn up for the fleet op, because I haven't done for very long time and it looked like a nice occasion to turn up. I decided to take a nap about 5 hours before the op time, and woke up today and realised my 'nap' lasted 23 hours. :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#4 - 2016-12-11 13:36:07 UTC
Solution to time dilation is p2p netcode mixed in with the current server-client netcode.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-12-11 13:37:48 UTC
facts:

- you can't limit the access to a system and call it "fair" for anyone. you're gonna leave outside someone either on defenders/attacker/third party side, and they have all the rights to be there shooting at anything they want.
- Eve has limits: hardware and softare wise


that said, i keep hearing that rewriting eve in a more performing language is too expensive etc.
they keep investing eve's money in other games (aka valkirye etc) insted of doing it.
they keep trasforming eve in f2p and all of that, uniforming themself to the market.

i mean, those are all choices. As customers we can't say anything about it.
you can either choose to play it or not.

as i see it, eve will become another tipical game on the market. nothing different. same things. item shop and f2p.
Eve is Dying Soon™
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-12-11 15:30:35 UTC
Soi what? This is player driven contend! If the defenders pack up and go there is no content. So it is in the interest of the players to have fair games. If you don't that's the result.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-11 15:32:22 UTC
Logan Revelore wrote:
Solution to time dilation is p2p netcode mixed in with the current server-client netcode.


Peer to peer for EVE?

Get out

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
2Sonas1Cup
#8 - 2016-12-11 15:43:12 UTC
Solution to time dilation is instances and proxied servers.
Too much for CCP I guess. Something that blizzard has been doing for a decade now.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-11 15:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Soi what? This is player driven contend! If the defenders pack up and go there is no content. So it is in the interest of the players to have fair games. If you don't that's the result.


you are completely wrong dude.
fair game in eve never existed, never exist and never will exist.

you can see it only in the stupid stuff of alliance tournament.
that TBH have nothing to do with eve.

eve is survival, the jungle law.... or used to be.
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#10 - 2016-12-11 15:54:55 UTC
Satchel Darkmatter wrote:
It's clear to me that CCP just allowing thousands of people to openly jump into a system and battle is a **** idea.

It is a terrible idea from pretty much every point of view. That's why I'm happy they still do it.

According to Moore's law hardware will be twice as fast two years from now. Does that mean it will be more fun then? Nope, it just means it'll be √2 as many people. To the best of my knowledge there's no alternative to Eve for gamers who want large fights like this, so how many participate might actually be balanced by their affection for large battles versus their aversion towards delay.

The reason I actually like TiDi as a mechanic is one of its side effects. It lessens the impact of lag. There will still be players with 60ms and players with 2000ms pings to the server in the same battle, but if there is only one tick every 10 seconds, their chances of reacting to events are pretty much equal.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#11 - 2016-12-11 17:01:08 UTC
While the world was watching the Keepstar, we were shooting a small Gallente control tower in a C1 lol

Romance intensifies

@lunettelulu7
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-12-11 17:06:06 UTC
and EE was losing titans and supers Cool
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-12-11 17:13:15 UTC
Eve is an emergent game world, run almost entirely by the players. Those players assessed the situation and didn't waste their lives and ships in a futile effort.
That's playing smart, and so was bringing such an overwhelming force as to render defense impossible. Both sides made appropriate strategic decisions. No one has an obligation to entertain you in the process.

Blame CCP for creating a set of game mechanics to so utterly favor this type of steamrolling instead of compelling game play. All of 2016 has been characterized by this exact problem. An entire year of epic nothing-ness as empires fall with barely a shot fired. RMT money buying giant blobs that require little more than numbers on grid to win at Eve.

Welcome to Blob Tactics Online. That is currently the state of Eve's 'end game' content.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#14 - 2016-12-11 17:18:16 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
While the world was watching the Keepstar, we were shooting a small Gallente control tower in a C1 lol

Romance intensifies


I love that, and it's very similar to what I said to my mates while I was gambling a lot on IWI (and I say it because I remember seeing you there quite a bit Lulu heh).

While Toobo was spinning slots at 27m ISK per spin, my alt was quietly mining Ice in Gallente space at less than 27m per hour. XD

EVE is just funny that way.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Paranoid Loyd
#15 - 2016-12-11 17:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
It's really only about being part of it.

It's a technological feat considering the technology available to us, anyone who understands it appreciates it very much and wouldn't expect it to be anything other than what it was.

Wouldnt expect most instagrats to understand and I do understand where you are coming from but thought it should be said anyway.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-12-11 19:20:12 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Soi what? This is player driven contend! If the defenders pack up and go there is no content. So it is in the interest of the players to have fair games. If you don't that's the result.


you are completely wrong dude.
fair game in eve never existed, never exist and never will exist.

you can see it only in the stupid stuff of alliance tournament.
that TBH have nothing to do with eve.

eve is survival, the jungle law.... or used to be.

Right, but if you see it like that don't complain that the other side saves their ships and you don't get a fight. The hardest fight are fights where you don't know who is winning. then you will risk bringing Capitals etc. If you don't stand a chance the other side will get no big fight.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-12-11 19:29:33 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Soi what? This is player driven contend! If the defenders pack up and go there is no content. So it is in the interest of the players to have fair games. If you don't that's the result.


you are completely wrong dude.
fair game in eve never existed, never exist and never will exist.

you can see it only in the stupid stuff of alliance tournament.
that TBH have nothing to do with eve.

eve is survival, the jungle law.... or used to be.

Right, but if you see it like that don't complain that the other side saves their ships and you don't get a fight. The hardest fight are fights where you don't know who is winning. then you will risk bringing Capitals etc. If you don't stand a chance the other side will get no big fight.


i'm not complaining about not having a fight.
Co2 cucked so hard the enemies not showing up for the last fight and i enjoyed it.

who is complaining is you wanting a cap number of people in the system.
Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-12-11 19:32:22 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Solution to time dilation is instances and proxied servers.
Too much for CCP I guess. Something that blizzard has been doing for a decade now.



the whole point of a one chard univerce is not to use instansing noncence its a part of an earlier golden age of MMO RPG.
Salvos Rhoska
#19 - 2016-12-11 19:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dont go to the big fight if you dont enjoy it.

CCP is not technically dishonest in promising them, they are just technically limited in providing for them.

With Keepstars proliferating, this is what you can expect, everytime.

Just dont participate. If you dont enjoy it, dont do it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
mkint
#20 - 2016-12-11 20:39:50 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It's really only about being part of it.

It's a technological feat considering the technology available to us, anyone who understands it appreciates it very much and wouldn't expect it to be anything other than what it was.

Wouldnt expect most instagrats to understand and I do understsnd where you are coming from but thought it should be said anyway.

a) games of any type are generally meant to be fun
b) the videos CCP always puts out presents the game as something other than what it is, including what is basically false advertising for large fleet fights.
c) up until f2p EVE had been on a steady decline for years. This suggests there are issues with the game's fun quotient, which will likely become more apparent as new post-f2p trends develop.
d) I guess we'll see what CCP does with the f2p windfall, but if they aren't spending it on making the game more fun (as opposed to more shiny) then it's likely the rate of decline won't ultimately rebound.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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