EVE General Discussion

Hello industrialists!

Rens has far too long been a non-entity. Back in the good ole’ days… whenever the hell that was… Rens actually was a decent market hub.

Due to a litany of factors, it’s dropped off. Only people who use it are ones who have to, or divert over to Hek, even Dodixie.

With the long flight to Jita, Rens is desolate.

Nothing against those places, but let’s try and make Rens great again.

With the influx of new players, most of them go to missioning or indy to start. Wouldn’t it be cool if we, as a community, we’re so malicious and sadistic towards them? The newbros now are the ones who will help keep the game going after all us bittervets stop playing due to either marriage or die from complications from drinking too much Monster energy drinks.

I’ve made a channel: Minmatar Industrialists
I’ve also made a mailing list by the same name.

“You’re just helping gankers/CODE alt! Etc etc”
Read the MOTD in the channel.

I’m calling on those local to Rens and those in nullsec, from Cobalt Edge to Providence, down to Paragon Soul and over to Cache; the South, the East, and all that encompasses.

Divert your industrial output to Rens. Lower the prices, compete, get people staying in the Minmatar (and even Ammatar) empires. Instead of smashing everything into Jita, let’s spread it out and give more breathing room to new players.

It's so odd how Rens used to be a much bigger hub than Hek, and now... it's not. I'm too lazy to move all my operations over to Metropolis, though, at least for now.

Hek is a lot more fun, thanks to its lower sec status and closer proximity to more low sec systems. Not to mention the Sisters of EVE mission hub just 2 jumps away.

It would be a shame to see Rens die, however.

Hek's always been the dump of the two. Mission runners, low sec pvp experimenters, FW guys. Rens was always for mini-Jita types. If we have to have only one hub for Min like the other factions, I'd vote for Hek scumbags.

I don't think that's going to work. If the prices in Rens were lower, producers and traders would make the few extra jumps to sell the stuff in Hek for a much better price instead. You know, free market and all that.
And even if people would offer discounted wares in Rens, it wouldn't take too long until a few smart ****** would buy it all, cram it into a freighter and go sell it for profit in Hek.

I love that these two competing markets exist in such close proximity.
Im amazed Rens has lasted as long as it has.

Such a refreshing economic/geographic contradiction to the otherwise unending flow of material to and from Jita.

Iirc, when I first started in EVE, one of my reasons for choosing Minmatar, in my noobish mind doing research on things I didnt understand, was I read about this tradehub Hek/Rens duality. I figured that sounded like a good opportunity for competition.

Im not an economist or industrialist, but I think this kind of market competition adds so muxh more character and granularity to the function of trade hubs in HS, and EVE overall.

Currently regional hubs are largely only differentiated by particular modules sourced from nearby, nearness to FW/NS space and invariably shipped from there to Jita. One of the "problems" is its just so cheap, safe and fast to contract shipments to and from Jita.

In my view, the game itself would be better with several competing hubs, rather than the monolith that is Jita.
I base this on the principle that the competition/exchange between multiple hubs creates quadratically more instances of interaction/dynamics/competition, than each single hub competing largely only with the monolitic trade hub at Jita.

As a rough analogy, the situation currently is like a spiderweb where all threads in the web lead to Jita and the fat spider sitting there. There would be quadratically more dynamic/competition if instead the economic landscape was each region as a spiderweb onto itself, with each having its own fat spider, and only a few threads leading out between them to the spiders in neighbouring webs.

NS does this much more rationally, specifically because they are isolated webs, due to the danger/complication of activity in another alliances hubs, and the alliances vested interest in supplying its own markets. They too, however, invariably end up dealing with Jita.

Ill consider contributing my modest output to Rens, out of solidarity for Minmatar and to support this unique market duality between Hek/Rens, though it will cost me profits, especially since I deal mostly in deadspace modules for which the largest consumer baset is, ofc, at Jita. I regularly set up BPs I loot as contracts in Hek/Rens though for cheaper than Jita.

For the past +8 years of playing this game, Rens has been and always will be my main go to Market.



DMC

Teonusude is way cooler than both Rens and Hek Shop Vherokior!

I am all about Minmatar, but YUK on the title of this thread .

I pass through there when I sneak into Great Wildlands. Miners, mining, is what happens there.