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Specialized Mini ORE Freighters?
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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#1 - 2016-12-09 16:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Just an idea, which I am sure has been kicked around a lot, but I thought I would bring it up again with all the changes to New Eden.

How would EVE and the players react to having ORE introduce three mini freighters that had specialized cargo bays and low low mass (think access to wormhole space but not frigate wormholes).

I am thinking something along the lines of 150k to 250k m3 specialized bays for ore, PI, and minerals.

They would need to be between the 500 million and billion ISK point. With gank ability based on cost of the ship. I would lean toward lower cost and easier to gank, but maybe added bonuses to getting remote support from fleet mates.

Players could go about moving lots of stuff solo and risk losing it all, or go in a fleet and have higher chances of survival.
This would encourages team play and allow people to do more things in EVE.

TheGream

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2016-12-09 17:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Meh, not new ships in this category are needed.

But there is ONE thing that I'd like : change the model of the Miasmos to be a ORE ship, because the fact that there is not one in the first place confuses me a lot. I mean, this corporation has all the mining ships in the game, wiht supports ships, but a ship dedicated to transport ore ? Nope, not today.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2016-12-09 17:53:08 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
Meh, not new ships in this category are needed.

But there is ONE thing that I'd like : change the model of the Miasmos to be a ORE ship, because the fact that there is not one in the first place confuses me a lot. I mean, this corporation has all the mining ships in the game, wiht supports ships, but a ship dedicated to transport ore ? Nope, not today.


you mean like the rorq?

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The 16.8km Bubble
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#4 - 2016-12-09 17:56:31 UTC
New ships are going to happen. I really don't want new ships that require new skills. But I wouldn't mind seeing more ships fill in more specialized categories.

And yes, the three Gallente industrials should be transferred to ORE but people need a good 2-3 month heads up so they can train for it.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-12-09 18:18:54 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
New ships are going to happen.



Probably not these ones, though.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2016-12-09 18:27:33 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Amarisen Gream wrote:
New ships are going to happen.



Probably not these ones, though.



it's almost like there needs to be a need first

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#7 - 2016-12-09 19:29:23 UTC
**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**

--Gadget... has a cold

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#8 - 2016-12-09 19:33:04 UTC
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#9 - 2016-12-09 21:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Do Little wrote:
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.


But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.

Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#10 - 2016-12-09 21:48:09 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**

--Gadget... has a cold


I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm)

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Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2016-12-09 23:36:33 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**

--Gadget... has a cold


I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm)

I hope that's not a CCP variety "Soon™." It's not really nice to wish for someone to get over a cold several years down the road. P
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#12 - 2016-12-10 03:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DrysonBennington
New ships are always needed.

I am thinking a mini ORE Freighter that can compress ore but not as well as the Rorq. The Ore Freighter compressing ore would at the best skill level only compress up to 40% the total compression volume of the Rorq however. The Ore Freighter, however could be used in High and Low Sec space and would have the following abilities:

1.Could warp while cloaked.
2.Immune to warp bubbles while cloaked but not while uncloaked.

The drawback would be the Mini ORE Freighters would have warp cloaking fatigue that unless enough fuel is maintained above a certain percentage threshold in the warp cloak bay the ship is no longer able to warp while cloaked and is not immune to warp bubbles.


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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#13 - 2016-12-10 04:07:46 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
New ships are always needed.

I am thinking a mini ORE Freighter that can compress ore but not as well as the Rorq. The Ore Freighter compressing ore would at the best skill level only compress up to 40% the total compression volume of the Rorq however. The Ore Freighter, however could be used in High and Low Sec space and would have the following abilities:

1.Could warp while cloaked.
2.Immune to warp bubbles while cloaked but not while uncloaked.

The drawback would be the Mini ORE Freighters would have warp cloaking fatigue that unless enough fuel is maintained above a certain percentage threshold in the warp cloak bay the ship is no longer able to warp while cloaked and is not immune to warp bubbles.


"Well John I didn't expect to see you back this soon..."

"It's the Misses and the double headed Jovian symbiot that we adopted....they just won't stop crying. So I thought I would come to New Eden for a much needed...vacation."



Now you are just getting to fancy... I just want something to use to get more stuff out of a WH and through Hi-sec then a small army of players. or spending like 20 hrs a week to solo it out.

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#14 - 2016-12-10 04:10:13 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**

--Gadget... has a cold


I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm)

I hope that's not a CCP variety "Soon™." It's not really nice to wish for someone to get over a cold several years down the road. P



Sadly Iain, I must say that was the joke I was aiming for, but not in a mean way. It would not please me one bit if Gadget was sick for several years, nor if the bug(s) she has are like the week after patch day.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2016-12-10 06:01:32 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Do Little wrote:
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.


But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.

Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.



did you ever think it was not supposed to be easy to move a lot through WHs?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#16 - 2016-12-10 11:00:14 UTC
wormholes............

Not ORE's purview.........

Maybe SOE, to flesh out the line of their SOE Fleet.....like i mean, astero/stratios/nestor....why not hauler specialized support ships, would make sense to me.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#17 - 2016-12-10 14:41:37 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
wormholes............

Not ORE's purview.........





Porpoise.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2016-12-10 15:28:33 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Do Little wrote:
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.


But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.

Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.



...Why do you think you should be able to move 150km3 through a c1?

Or should I ask, why do you feel it needs to be easier to get caps in C1s, since that is, iirc, more than enough compressed ore to build one?

How do DSTs work in c1s, and why is 80km3 not enough for your needs?
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#19 - 2016-12-10 15:49:52 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Do Little wrote:
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.


But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.

Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.



did you ever think it was not supposed to be easy to move a lot through WHs?


I thought about it!, but I also know that New Eden is always changing. Which is why in my OP I suggested making these ships cheap, and weak with bonuses for being in a fleet not solo. Risk vs Reward. WH have the reward of being able to export a lot of goods easily but at a much higher risk.

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#20 - 2016-12-10 15:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Danika Princip wrote:
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Do Little wrote:
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.


But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.

Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.



...Why do you think you should be able to move 150km3 through a c1?

Or should I ask, why do you feel it needs to be easier to get caps in C1s, since that is, iirc, more than enough compressed ore to build one?

How do DSTs work in c1s, and why is 80km3 not enough for your needs?


What DST does 80k m3?

I just thinking making it easier for people to get mined goods out of WHs would be healthier for the game then current meta. But that is my opinion. We will just have to see where CCP takes us.

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