Intergalactic Summit

Those will be the ones they aren't flying. I mean, it's not like CODE (or their friends in MiniLuv) are at all new to these kinds of things. They've been at this quite a long time, and they make a ridiculous amount of money at it.

Also, 'lose', not 'loose'.

Also, atheists and religious extremists have a lot in common. As they are both advocating a position of belief with excessive fervour. Religious and secular extremism are the same thing.

Of course they make a lot of ISK out of it. Yet that's not a reason for giving up, and making a little ISK for oneself by ganking the gankers - and if you become sufficiently acquainted with CODE's operations you will discover that there are ships which they do fly, and don't want to loose.

In not this then lets not forget that being able to legitimately shoot and kill red flashies is immensely satisfying and great fun.

Not necessarily I don't really care if you are religious or not. I just want you not to try to force someone else to be religious

The religious tend to have their active belief as one of the core, formative tenets of who they are. Thus, they're unable to imagine someone else might not have a corresponding core of active belief. We judge others by how we view ourselves, after all.

Agreed. What I'm saying is that forcing someone to be religious is the same thing as forcing someone to be non-religious.



Also, I don't particularly care if I'm incentivising their actions. That is CODE. All we are talking about here is effectively engaging with CODE's strategy and creating disruption. I am not saying that it is a war which can be won. But I am saying that it is a war which can be fought.

CODE are just petty and useless criminals. When CODE fights you and wins, they lose ship and you lose ship.
When you kill them, they lose ship but you don't lose ship, and you loot whatever they drop.

Fighting CODE is like fighting baseline pirates. Easy and profitable, just their numbers are way less than for example, Gurista or Blooders.

As for "hurting CODE", that's a terrible reason for a war with whomever. If you want to fight CODE, do it for the sake of "farming" CODE. They will be losing their money faster (if you are a good pilot), and you will be getting money instead of losing them. Win-win.

Then you fail to understand why it cannot work in the long-term. There's no mental exercise here, no grand strategy to turn the tide against them. There is only persistence and stubbornness to the exclusion of all else.

Are you prepared to spend the next eight years dedicating yourself to fighting CODE? Because they're prepared to spend the next eight years like they've spent the last eight years: killing freighters and getting shot at by anti-gankers. This is not a matter of strategy. It's a matter of endurance, and to be blunt, utterly masochistic levels of deranged single-mindedness. You see this as a challenge. They see this as just another day, just another group of anti-pirates. If you are not prepared to dedicate yourself to this—and only this, lest you give them a reprieve—for what amounts to the rest of the foreseeable future, you cannot win.

I don't think anyone is particularly 'incensed' about these fellows doing something. Fruitless or otherwise, acting against a perceived injustice is a noble act.

What we are irritated by is the incessant starting of threads about it, particularly couched in terms of heroism. Keep it all in a single thread, please.

Futilitiy is inefficient, ineffective, and counterproductive. His statements indicate a clear misunderstanding of the difficulties and challenges he is planning to engage, so I am providing him more accurate information. This is no great strategic challenge: bring more people and shoot them, and they'll blow up. So the thing he claims to be seeking is not what he'll find. More, the question of 'why?' is directly addressing the fact that the declared actions will, in fact, be counterproductive to the stated goals. If you see someone choking, and someone else comes along and says 'I can help him, just let me cut off his head', are you really going to not question that?

As to the 'well, go DO something about it', the situation here is analagous to someone complaining that they're cold, and when told to 'go do something about it', they announce quite loudly and repeatedly that by God, they're going to have someone go paint their Raven yellow and name it 'Canary', and THAT will make them warm. It's not that the action is an issue—go paint the ship whatever color you want—it's that as a solution, it's nonsense. You don't stop ganking by engaging the gankers. If that worked, ever, it would have worked long ago, since groups have been doing precisely that for as long as people have been ganking freighters and miners. The solution presented is not only demonstrably not a solution, it's not even a step in that direction. So it's not 'doing something about it', it's 'doing something else, and dramatically misrepresenting your actions as a solution'.

If you want to stop ganking in high-sec, the solution is simple, but impossible to achieve: just get CONCORD to remove the ability to disable those firing safeties they mandated all ships be upgraded to include, while in highsec. When you're in highsec, safeties green. Can't shoot, can't gank. Problem solved.

Good luck getting it done.