Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am not sure why of all the things wrong with wars and corporations, you are fixated on a few, dispensable, in-game communication methods. The in-game calendar doesn't win wars, or even make a successful industry corporation.

If you want to argue for more social tools for players not looking to seriously play the game, then I support you. Social corps or the 'societies' proposal seem reasonable ideas for non-competitive players to benefit socially from the game. But using access to a chat channel or calendar as an argument why industrial corporations should be immune from wars is inane.

Industry corporations are not suppose to exists. Ok, this is a sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but there is no in-game mechanic to declare your corporation as "industrial" and thus opt-out of wars. All corporations are competitive, in fact they are the basic competitive unit of the game. You are intended to be vulnerable and have to plan for your defense, just like the "purely PvP" corporation (also which is not explicitly provided for by the rules) has to worry about funding themselves somehow, whether that be missioning, mining, or as mercenary group.

If you want to benefit from the shared economy that gives value to your industry, you have to navigate being vulnerable to the other players who want to compete with you or consume you as content. That's the game. No one promised you a carebear paradise, single-player experience where you can grind resources without risk. Eve Online is a virtual world where everyone is competing against everyone on multiple levels simultaneously.

So what are the options? You can stay in high sec and probably have your corp fizzle out and close. You can claw your way into a null sec alliance, but then you get effectively cut off from high sec and null is incredibly restrictive and boring. You can be a WH corp, but that too is a logistical nightmare and bad for industry players. Low sec is fun for small gang pvp, but again not ideal for industry. Industry players just don't have a place in the game unless they want to play the game like a single player game.

Confirming on both counts.
Jonah gets to have his corp unmolested because hes not a dumbass , is a likeable and patient mofo with the newbros.

I think we may have gotten off on the wrong foot or I may have been a bit unclear with my follow-up concerns.

Highsec indy corps with any notoriety are at a disadvantage when using CCP provided tools for corp management.
^ that much we seem to agree on. I don't think anyone would recommend a corp like red frog use corps in the traditional sense.
Of course, many are recommending alternatives to the corp tools.

My question is: what is the justification in sustaining this disadvantage of in-game corp management tools?

Live chat is not the only form of communication you can do with a corp. There is also corp mail, calendar, and corporate standings and even contracting to some extent.

Why are you so against indy folks being able to use corporations?

I suppose it could be safer than highsec for industry players, but isn't that concept a little ridiculous?

You're kind of implying that because we have access to the same tools - we should all be good at pvp. Heck 80% of the Eve players I've met that claim to be PVP folks suck at it (and I mean really bad suck at it). So this whole same set of tools thing you're throwing out there is pretty much garbage. I don't know how anyone could stick with Eve for more than a year and not be hooked on pvp, but it happens and that has to be accepted.

It would be ridiculous if it were inherently safer. It's not inherently safer. With respect to game mechanics alone, it's dramatically more dangerous.


It's safer, in practice, because groups of players are cooperating to make it that way.

They have intel channels that report incoming hostiles, home defense fleets that form up to deal with said hostiles, etc.

Employ even a fraction of the defensive measures used in null and you would be damn near untouchable in high sec.

If high sec corps could employ even a fraction of the defensive measures used in null... they wouldn't be high sec corps.

I get what you're saying, but you need to get what they are saying. If I gave you my whole set of tools then expected you to be as awesome as me, that just wouldn't be fair. Here's why. We're different people (corps) with different likes and dislikes. You may be able to bend down under a sink, squoooosh out 9 inches of plumbers crack and be a master, but if I set you at the kitchen table with a 3 layer circuit board and some electronics repair stuff - you may burn my house down. The point?? Just because we have access to the same set of tools does not mean we are automatically equally good at using all of them. Heck you may be SCARED of electricity and never be able to get the hang of that facet of the tool box. That's OK.

You're kind of implying that because we have access to the same tools - we should all be good at pvp. Heck 80% of the Eve players I've met that claim to be PVP folks suck at it (and I mean really bad suck at it). So this whole same set of tools thing you're throwing out there is pretty much garbage. I don't know how anyone could stick with Eve for more than a year and not be hooked on pvp, but it happens and that has to be accepted.

Let me ask you this... If you don't like kissing dudes/girls/Labradors - do you think you'll ever be good at it? Probably not. But we all have equal access to dudes/girls/Labradors so????

TL/DR stop being silly