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How are you in RL, besides EVE?

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Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
#21 - 2016-12-04 20:29:31 UTC
No, griefers are not good people IRL. Most other players are not good people either.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-12-04 23:10:13 UTC
Bivk Dvtt wrote:
Expendable Unit wrote:
Dear Eve Community,

I really want to know, how you guys are in RL ? I have heard how some of the nicest guys in RL are the biggest and most brutal scammers in EVE, and how the nicest in EVE are the most dangerous in life (As one player once claimed, he was a Mercenary in RL), so I wonder, how you are in RL regarding socializing with other people?


That propaganda has been going on for years and has to be regularly reactivated so the waves of new players get hypnotized by sweet-talking online sociopaths, accept the hazing rites and join the ranks of the griefers ("everyone says they are nice, they must be!")
- Griefers (people who enjoy extracting tears and making people unsubscribe) always say they are super nice guys IRL
- Same griefers always say carebears actively seek to dox them

Very strange, as the contrary seems to happen, griefers ingame are the same IRL (ex mittani), while carebears have others things to do once they've been extolled rage by professional Schadenfreude seekers


Pic related: http://www.noelshack.com/2016-48-1480841313-ladyareolafappingtongif.gif
That's griefer propaganda


Jack Thompson? Is that you?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-12-04 23:16:34 UTC
Grymmstorm wrote:
No, griefers are not good people IRL. Most other players are not good people either.


Good and bad as moralistic determinations are useless. Morality is subjective. People are people. We all do good things, we all do bad things. What matters to me, personally, isn't whether or not other people think me good, but whether or not I like who and what I am. I'm autistic, so making friends ain't exactly my forte, but I have a few who are people that like and take me as I am, which is all I care about.

That being said, if as many people were as 'evil' in EVE as in real life, as so many bears claim, it's more likely they'd be in jail/padded cells than playing EVE.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#24 - 2016-12-05 03:31:23 UTC
The greatest irony is that in Eve you're told to trust no one.

I keep my RL and Eve Online totally separate. There is one person IRL that knows I play, and I tell her about my adventures as Lulu Lunette and she also finds it hysterical that I made my character a twitter account.. other than that I am a total closet Eve Online player and only until very recently, I've never met another Eve player irl. I'm just a normal person (corporate drone) with a job and a house and a dog and cat and I play Eve Online instead of watch TV.

I'm not very social or outward in person. I'm awkward and introverted and I am an accountant. I treat Lulu like an alter ego, maybe a little bit like someone I wish I was kind of but not really. I do my best to be nice and helpful and be the opposite of all the bad and evil you hear about in this game P

I do everything I can to keep real life from going beyond Eve Online's login screen. I have a routine where I put on some song to help me get in the mood, to feel like I'm Lulu and I guess I just go from there. I'm a huge Guardians of the Galaxy fan so I guess the old rock songs and pop music and Star Lord and Gomora was a bit of an inspiration.

My job is all numbers and no creativity so I guess Eve is a good outlet for me.

I'm boring; the end.

@lunettelulu7

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#25 - 2016-12-05 09:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Sometimes I am boring and sometimes not. Sometimes I am funny and sometimes serious. Sometimes I love everybody, and sometimes I want everybody to leave me alone.
I think I think too much.

Maybe I am slightly crazy or at least unconventional.
Nemesis Abre-Kai
Fun Solo Alliance
#26 - 2016-12-05 10:35:32 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Is this a stealth "people who are bad in EvE are sociopaths in real life" thread? Because people who make that link are monumental idiots.


Actually from a psychological standpoint that is not true how you behave when anonymous says much about your natural disposition!

I'd say people who ignore the link should read a bit psychology literature ;)

Also calling people that you disagree with idiots also says something about your real life views and psyche.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#27 - 2016-12-06 10:06:09 UTC
The way I am IRL is..... so busy that I don't play Eve anymore.

Too many hats. Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Taishoku Mayaki
Feeling Cute Today
#28 - 2016-12-06 11:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Taishoku Mayaki
I like to think I am very nice IRL, I smile, say please and thank you. Also can hold office chitchat very effectively, I buy the girlfriend flowers and have not ran away when I found out she was pregnant. SO I think I am an upstanding citizen .

However in EvE I kill just about everyone who I come across.

Even friends and family. My dad plays, I killed him.

"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#29 - 2016-12-06 11:54:54 UTC
its nothing. Its only a game.
I remember laughing loudly when brother died in Diablo II to some fetishes. It looked so funny.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2016-12-10 13:38:20 UTC
I dress up like this girl in my avatar and roleplay just like in EVE
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2016-12-10 13:42:15 UTC
Val Kaleth
Realm of Mischief
DammFam
#32 - 2016-12-10 20:16:03 UTC
I am every bit as crazy in real life as I am here. Twisted

Feel free to join me in game in the "Realm of Mischief" channel.

🇮🇪

disappears in a cloud of rust

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-12-10 23:35:42 UTC
In game, I take lives.

In real life, I save them.

Does that satisfy your curious nature?
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#34 - 2016-12-11 08:51:18 UTC
Nemesis Abre-Kai wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Is this a stealth "people who are bad in EvE are sociopaths in real life" thread? Because people who make that link are monumental idiots.


Actually from a psychological standpoint that is not true how you behave when anonymous says much about your natural disposition!

I'd say people who ignore the link should read a bit psychology literature ;)

Also calling people that you disagree with idiots also says something about your real life views and psyche.


I said it before in a very similar thread a few months earlier, but the question here leads to actually much deeper academic debate than how it may look in the first glance, if you do indeed decide to take this topic seriously.

I can/do agree that how we act when we anonymous says much about your 'desires', but how much is 'identity' or 'who we are' linked with what we 'desire'.

So if the question is 'does your EVE actions reflect your RL 'desires', then I think the answer is much more straightforward. But if it's about 'what kind of person you are IRL' then I tend to think that's got more to do than with just 'desires' alone, because 'who we are' in RL society obviously does include much suppressed desires, and what desires we decide to 'suppress' is as much linked to social identity as what desires we 'express'.

Expression/suppression of certain desires may say something about 'who we are', but I don't think they are the 'only' constituents of 'who we are' IRL.

anyways, tl;dr, I do believe, whatever you do in game, are your desires, there's no denying that. But what we desire is not the only barometer for who we are IRL, so the question itself does not lead to any complete picture.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2016-12-12 20:03:26 UTC
Pretty sure wife thinks I am a jerk.

Does that count?

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Lt Drebbin Whitehat
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-12-15 21:55:19 UTC
A little different psych/sociology case study, if it’s of interest to anyone….

I try to be a good guy both in RL and in the game. A different kind of RL vs. ingame behavior applies in my case. In RL I’m an introvert who enjoys privacy. I have good one-on-one friends, but in social situations I’m uncomfortable and I’m pure crap at small talk.

But in the game, I tend to end up being a group organizer and leader (corp officer, recruiter, etc.) It’s because I have this thing where I can’t stand to see friends or family not getting along or not having a good time. So I end up “cheerleading” and encouraging the group. I’m kind of a social manipulator, in that I manipulate group members to steer them being more positive within the group and stronger team players. Because of that, I end up being made one of the group officer/admin grunts/cat herders.

So in RL I’m shy and bad in group social situations, but in Eve I’m a social butterfly/group leader. Basically, my Eve self is an extrovert alter-ego that I RP. But I don’t like voice comms much. My RL introversion kicks in in comms, so I mostly just follow the fleet and push the talk key to laugh at jokes. I can only RP being an extrovert via typing text, where I have time to think and compose just what I want to say. MMO-world can make strange situations, don't you think?

I tried to do Lt. Frank Drebin.

Kolinthia Lincoln
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-12-16 01:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolinthia Lincoln
Me? I'm fabulous. But really you shouldn't be (personality wise) that much different in game than you are IRL.

Edit: After reading a couple other responses I guess it's a little more complicated than at first glance. I think I behave in game very similarly to how I am IRL and of course how I would be if EVE was real. I'm typically a really friendly person, introvert but with extrovert tendencies if that makes any sense. I have strong convictions and I like to stick up for the little guy.
Nemesis Abre-Kai
Fun Solo Alliance
#38 - 2016-12-29 11:14:16 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
Pretty sure wife thinks I am a jerk.

Does that count?


That usually just means you've been married for more then 5 years :P
Nemesis Abre-Kai
Fun Solo Alliance
#39 - 2016-12-29 12:09:30 UTC
@Toobo: A well formulated response, thank you.

"but the question here leads to actually much deeper academic debate than how it may look in the first glance"
I agree.

"I can/do agree that how we act when we anonymous says much about your 'desires', but how much is 'identity' or 'who we are' linked with what we 'desire'."
I agree, however I would also add that we use anonymity on the internet to vent our deepest and inner most frustrations.

"straitforward"
Compleetly agree. It's never straigt forward. I always remember a budhist monk I met in Russia. He was sitting on a bench in a park and asked if we had a pen for him. So we gave the wierd old man with a book with empty pages the pen. After which he said just a minute and he started to tally the mminutes in his little book. After watching him for 15 minutes I told him really don't need the pen back have a nice day. He responded by saying it was just another minute and he would appreciate if we'd wait. Another 15 minutes later he gave the pen back closed his book, gave us a chocolat bar and thanked us for patience. So I got a bit irritable and asked what's up? He said that he was sitting there to try and find good virtues in the world and reward them.

So something which looked like an old guy just being crazy was actually a highly intelligent munk doing behavorial research and trying to use positive reinforcement.

"Who we are"
I agree, it says something abou who we are however it does not define us. Also there is interpretation, cultural backgrounds and so many oher things to consider.

In closing. I believe there is a link between how you act and who you are no matter the context.

However without knowing the context, the reasoning and the intent it is very difficult to sumize if someone is a bad person. Furthermore I do not believe there are really bad people, a person is culmination of base desires and experiences which makes them behave in a certain way. Each interaction changes all parties involved in a minute way, my intent in my post as in most of my interactions is to try and make it a positive change. (of course my desires and emoitions do not always allow me to do so, which is ok :) )
Nemesis Abre-Kai
Fun Solo Alliance
#40 - 2016-12-29 12:33:53 UTC
Lt Drebbin Whitehat wrote:
A little different psych/sociology case study, if it’s of interest to anyone….

I try to be a good guy both in RL and in the game. A different kind of RL vs. ingame behavior applies in my case. In RL I’m an introvert who enjoys privacy. I have good one-on-one friends, but in social situations I’m uncomfortable and I’m pure crap at small talk.

But in the game, I tend to end up being a group organizer and leader (corp officer, recruiter, etc.) It’s because I have this thing where I can’t stand to see friends or family not getting along or not having a good time. So I end up “cheerleading” and encouraging the group. I’m kind of a social manipulator, in that I manipulate group members to steer them being more positive within the group and stronger team players. Because of that, I end up being made one of the group officer/admin grunts/cat herders.

So in RL I’m shy and bad in group social situations, but in Eve I’m a social butterfly/group leader. Basically, my Eve self is an extrovert alter-ego that I RP. But I don’t like voice comms much. My RL introversion kicks in in comms, so I mostly just follow the fleet and push the talk key to laugh at jokes. I can only RP being an extrovert via typing text, where I have time to think and compose just what I want to say. MMO-world can make strange situations, don't you think?


Hi reminds so much of myself. For me the solution was mostly accepting I'm different from most and working on getting my emotions and rational on the same page.

I'm authistic with a high iq. From a young age I've survived by schutting my emotions away and ignoring them. To make matters worse I'm quite empathic. Resulting in emotionless and well reasoned argumentsduring emotional situations. This of course let to many bad experiences, since you cannot reason with nor against emotion.

Now when conversing through text the emotional handicap is shared by the other side, since text is emotionless.

Not saying you have the same issues as I have just wanted to share it with you. If you would like to discus it further feel free to choose your venue, PM or open forum are both ok for me. Of course no reply is required nor expected of you.
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