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F2P Restrictions are too great

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-12-03 04:21:53 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Well, if you didn't have the attention span of a goldfish, and perhaps read everything that has been said, then you'd realize you're the r3tard, r3tard. And I've lost count of people who are starting threads and joining on exposing the Joseph Stalin-inspired move pulled by CCCP... I MEAN, CCP with their "free" to play update. And brushing it aside by calling it "negativity" is yet another painfully obvious sign of a little antsville b*tch fanboy. Negativity nowadays seems like painting the truth itself in a negative light as to attract even more mentally challenged fanboys to help defend against it. You people are a disease.

I am a fangirl. Totally admit it and there is not a thing wrong with it. I love this game.

That you don't is great for you. Go back to bed with your mother and don't worry about EvE. It will survive without your idiocy.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Miha V
Eldest Warriors
#82 - 2016-12-03 04:23:56 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Delusional is coming to the company owned forums and expecting to find people who agree with your negativity.

I will not be surprised if some posts will be deleted from this forum. :) It is pretty common, but it ruins any respect to the company.

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2016-12-03 04:30:37 UTC
Miha V wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Delusional is coming to the company owned forums and expecting to find people who agree with your negativity.

I will not be surprised if some posts will be deleted from this forum. :) It is pretty common, but it ruins any respect to the company.


CCP don't delete posts that comply with the forum rules, only ones that break them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Miha V
Eldest Warriors
#84 - 2016-12-03 04:36:10 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
I love this game....

Lady, you are too green to claim "I love the game" - one month (since 2016/11/02 membership) is not enough to make up you mind about it and teach another ppl to love it, LOL
Miha V
Eldest Warriors
#85 - 2016-12-03 04:38:21 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
CCP don't delete posts that comply with the forum rules, only ones that break them. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am new here, at FORUM. At the past just played the game. :)
Thanks for explanation.
Xodiac Primus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2016-12-03 04:40:57 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
Well, if you didn't have the attention span of a goldfish, and perhaps read everything that has been said, then you'd realize you're the r3tard, r3tard. And I've lost count of people who are starting threads and joining on exposing the Joseph Stalin-inspired move pulled by CCCP... I MEAN, CCP with their "free" to play update. And brushing it aside by calling it "negativity" is yet another painfully obvious sign of a little antsville b*tch fanboy. Negativity nowadays seems like painting the truth itself in a negative light as to attract even more mentally challenged fanboys to help defend against it. You people are a disease.

I am a fangirl. Totally admit it and there is not a thing wrong with it. I love this game.

That you don't is great for you. Go back to bed with your mother and don't worry about EvE. It will survive without your idiocy.


Some people invest so much time and effort into something they will stick with it even when it takes a big dump on them...
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2016-12-03 04:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Miha V wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
I love this game....

Lady, you are too green to claim "I love the game" - one month (since 2016/11/02 membership) is not enough to make up you mind about it and teach another ppl to love it, LOL

What?

You have your dates mixed up. February is not November lol, nor is this my only character....Straight This is just a cyno alt. Maybe dig a bit deeper. Post history and zkillboard might be good places to start.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#88 - 2016-12-03 05:06:38 UTC
Xodiac Primus wrote:
Some people invest so much time and effort into something they will stick with it even when it takes a big dump on them...

Yes I agree. We see that all the time here with people that complain and complain and yet they still give CCP money.

Harder to spot now since Ascension of course, but has been the same way for years.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2016-12-03 05:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jotunspor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
...when they complete this vaporware they call a video game.


Let me stop you right there.

EVE is always in development, and always will be. There is no 'complete', and comparing EVE to other games is like comparing a rocket to the moon to airplanes. There is nothing like EVE Online out there, and for that reason alone, there is no reason EVE should ever try to be like every other game out there.


The essential components to a game. That is what I'm talking about.


The 'essential components' to what game? Not EVE. EVE has all its essential components. Just because you think it could be better with more, doesn't mean it doesn't have everything it needs. If you want more, suggest it, but it has everything it needs, and then some, for endless hours of gameplay of many varieties. Don't make the mistake of trying to make EVE into another generic clone of anything else, because it can and should never be anything but EVE.

And I really don't know why I'm repeating myself here. I really shouldn't, you really should just read what I've already said, but EVE is as complete as it is incomplete due to the fact that it is - now pay attention this time - ALWAYS IN DEVELOPMENT. Constantly, non-stop, always getting new content, old content patched and repaired, constantly growing. So again, if you think of something that could be added, feel free to open a thread in the Features and Ideas subforum, and suggest it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#90 - 2016-12-03 09:50:53 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Miha V wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
I love this game....

Lady, you are too green to claim "I love the game" - one month (since 2016/11/02 membership) is not enough to make up you mind about it and teach another ppl to love it, LOL

What?

You have your dates mixed up. February is not November lol, nor is this my only character....Straight This is just a cyno alt. Maybe dig a bit deeper. Post history and zkillboard might be good places to start.

The need for alts makes $15/month a lie.

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Zeewolf 46137
Saor Alba
#91 - 2016-12-03 10:35:14 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:

The need for alts makes $15/month a lie.


I have alts, but they are all on the one account. So I only pay one sub.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#92 - 2016-12-03 12:46:21 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
just disappointed in the heavy limitations.


no you can't have everything. for free,, now away and melt you silly little snowflake.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#93 - 2016-12-03 17:43:47 UTC
The restrictions will always seem heavy in this sense because you know fully well what you COULD do and what you now cant do. Having to go swim in the kiddie pool if you are Micheal Phelps would suck balls too. The key is are you able to find the fun even in that situation? If not there is the door, or there is the credit card.

Most people dont know how to find the fun in something other than what society generally tells them is the most fun. It usually is along the lines of having the most money, the biggest and best toys, the most friends and the best of everything. Very few can make fun for themselves with less, especially after experiencing it for a while. Those few are special. Because no matter where they are put they will shine and enjoy the "content."

15 days OP? LOL Id say your mind is the limiting factor here not your skill set.Roll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Jotunspor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2016-12-03 19:34:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


The essential components to a game. That is what I'm talking about.


The 'essential components' to what game? Not EVE. EVE has all its essential components. Just because you think it could be better with more, doesn't mean it doesn't have everything it needs. If you want more, suggest it, but it has everything it needs, and then some, for endless hours of gameplay of many varieties. Don't make the mistake of trying to make EVE into another generic clone of anything else, because it can and should never be anything but EVE.

And I really don't know why I'm repeating myself here. I really shouldn't, you really should just read what I've already said, but EVE is as complete as it is incomplete due to the fact that it is - now pay attention this time - ALWAYS IN DEVELOPMENT. Constantly, non-stop, always getting new content, old content patched and repaired, constantly growing. So again, if you think of something that could be added, feel free to open a thread in the Features and Ideas subforum, and suggest it.[/quote]

The essential parts to any game. There is no immersion. Until 2010, we couldn't even actually play the "characters" we created. They were actually just character portraits with names. Nothing more. And even still, we just walk around a 50 cubic foot captain's quarters and hanger, not doing anything. A feature that is completely pointless and without purpose. A feature that's clearly been stuck in a very, very incomplete state. Second, let's use missions as examples. We talk to "NPCs" (which are not even in the game) that are dialogue windows with names. And they have full 3D models of the "NPCs" you can view; which makes it all more hilarious. Again, is there a purpose to this? No. Is there most certainly IS NOT. Are these the things you see in every other game that supposedly have NPCs to interact with? No. THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO SAY THAT IS SEVERELY PHUCKED UP. I have to point out the OBVIOUS to a guy who's sitting there, scratching his head, trying to figure out how in the hell I don't understand that the game constantly gets updated. Well NO SH*T! But have they created ANY of these essential components (if it still hasn't gone through your head) and are simply, comfortably adding new features as the game goes on? No. They tweak mechanics, they give us new ships. New in-game items. We still talk to character portraits. We've been walking around ONE, PHUCKING, ROOM! ONE, ROOM! For over 6 years?! One entire generation of video game consoles have gone by, and these people are unable to finish up and add in any actual content to a game that still plays like it's a cheap MMO from the 90s. And mind you, I can still name some MMOs from the 90s that probably had voiced NPCs. And say they did bring the game away from this incomplete state. If the quality of gameplay had risen up to an acceptable level, it would at least make more sense to have people pay a monthly fee for something that actually feels like it was built with quality and had an overall feel of prestige behind it. The only thing that exudes quality here, are the 3D models of in-game assets.

And going back to the character creation system... Hahaha... You know it's totally illogical for them to have released such a detailed, and ultimately STUNNING character creation system, yet again - have no real purpose to it. These things are all painfully obvious half-jobs. PAINFULLY OBVIOUS points in development that have been abruptly halted, and a development plan with no sense of direction. Development have clearly been discombobulated in terms of direction with half-baked ideas such as WiS and the character creation system.

If say, when they made Counter-Strike, they introduced a suture kit the CTs could buy to patch up other CTs, and it took 2 minutes to patch up your teammate, would that be a logical design choice? Considering the average match only lasts several minutes in a classic game of Counter-Strike?

Battlefield 3. Another great example of probably the most MENTALLY R3TARDED FPS ever to be conceived. EVER. I played for about 11 hours, and couldn't play another second as to not get brain cancer. This game has quite literally the most guns of any MP FPS I've ever seen. It has SUCH an attention to detail for firearms, it's unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. When I first saw the way weapon customization was handled, I was extremely excited. I'm all for customization, so it gets me very giddy. But when I realized the amount of time it took to unlock attachments, corresponding with the way the game played. My goddam jaw hit the floor. I couldn't believe how insanely, insanely idiotic this game was. It's no Counter-Strike. You're actually not running into enemy infantry very often, so you're not really getting many kills very often, naturally. Yet this game treats itself as if it's a military field simulation. And what's furthermore, the bullet-drop and actually bullet speed are just one giant question mark. Along with this entire disastrous excuse for a video game. When someone is moving PERPENDICULAR to you when they are about 50 meters away (not 500 meters or 1 kilometer away, but about 50 meter, or less), the bullet will actually not even meet the target when your sights are dead-set on them, center of mass, lined up perfectly. The way muzzle velocity was handled in that game is basically Star Wars laser bullets. So you have: A great attention to detail in weapons. An Extreme, REALISTIC EMPHASIS ON THOSE WEAPONS. And yet the actual PERFORMANCE of those weapons is TOTALLY UNREALISTIC and arcade-like. So there you have it. Extremely conflicting and polarizing design choices that are trying to work together, but obviously can't.

So with that in mind, does throwing in 5% of what WiS would ideally supposed to be, along with ambulation in general and character creation - and calling it a day - make sense?
Kojee
Safety Set To Red
Train Wreck.
#95 - 2016-12-03 19:49:21 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
So with that in mind, does throwing in 5% of what WiS would ideally supposed to be, along with ambulation in general and character creation - and calling it a day - make sense?


You are completely forgetting the history and politics around the whole thing. You know, just the 95% of the story that matters.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2016-12-03 22:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jotunspor wrote:
wall of text


One more time. EVE is always in development, always changing. It's as complete as it is incomplete. Pretty simple.

It is also a spaceship game. You have always had an avatar to play the game with, because your avatar has always been spaceships.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#97 - 2016-12-03 22:16:32 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
Just throwing out my opinion here.

I was so excited to hear about clone states and EVE going F2P. I knew there would be some restrictions as most MMOs that were once paid subs going F2P take that route. I missed playing this game and couldn't wait to log in again.

Right away it was clear the restrictions were heavy. Not being able to use ships I already had as well as equipment or even mining drones. I decided to give it a shot regardless and just play with what was available to see what kind of experience I could still get as an alpha state.

In my opinion, it is already too limiting after only 15 days of play.

Subs in gaming are going away. It was a great model 10 years ago, but now that players don't want to sink all of their time into a single game, play multiple genres, game with friends who have migrated to other games, don't have the money or even simply don't see the value in spending $10-15 per month on an item when they have choices that are one time purchases of $30-60.

Clearly EVE took a step in the right direction. My account is 5 years old and I haven't been playing for several years; now I am. The question is will I be playing in a month or two and my current feeling is no I probably will not be.

Players will spend money on vanity items. Ship skins. Avatar items. Immediate unlocks. Spell effects or in this case projectile/laser effects. If a player just started and they want a ship bad enough, they will drop the $2.99 you are selling it for rather than saving money up. They will spend the $.99 you are charging to quick train a skill that takes days otherwise. Other successful games offer that without a single limitation to the game and have more than 25,0000 players logged in at any given time.

The other option is to sell the game in its entirety up front with a trial available. Once it is purchased, no limitation. This model works very well too.

The current clone state offer is okay, but by no means enough to bring a player like me here for a long period of time. Which, I acknowledge that is just my opinion and only 1 of thousands. Maybe the current model works for EVE and you achieved exactly what you wanted.

You have a really great game, but the way I see it, for me, I already spent 4-5 months as a subscriber here years ago and eventually it wasn't worth the monthly cost. Putting limitations on the game as heavy as you did ensures players like me won't be here long.

Enjoying the game regardless, just disappointed in the heavy limitations.


Pay then.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2016-12-03 22:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Miha V wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
I love this game....

Lady, you are too green to claim "I love the game" - one month (since 2016/11/02 membership) is not enough to make up you mind about it and teach another ppl to love it, LOL

What?

You have your dates mixed up. February is not November lol, nor is this my only character....Straight This is just a cyno alt. Maybe dig a bit deeper. Post history and zkillboard might be good places to start.

The need for alts makes $15/month a lie.


What need for alts? I have no need for alts. I have two, on the same account as my main, but I have no need for them. I have absolutely no trouble making friends. So when other people playing the game who aren't autistic, like me, claim you need alts to get anything done in this game. it boggles the mind. Why am I not the anti-social one around here, despite being actually autistic?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2016-12-03 22:31:33 UTC
I must admit i am surprised by how many people just seem to forget that CCP is a business with a staff and overheads.

This game was not designed to be a free to play like World of Tanks.

But has slotted in Free to Play like Blizzard did in World of Warcraft.

The ability to still play and interact with the game without payment is a big step but if CCP give away too much them no one will have a game as it is now because CCP would have to radically alter the game just so they actually made money.

Also don't forget "Free to Play" is never Free, someone is footing the bill and now its the Omegas footing the bill for Development and CCPs overheads.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#100 - 2016-12-03 22:58:52 UTC
Laura Joffe Numeroff's and Felicia Bond's creation in a nutshell.

You'd think I would be anything but surprised with what I've seen. Everyday's a new one, I guess.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."