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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-12-02 15:45:56 UTC
True F2P games are MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than P2P. Be glad this game isn't truly F2P.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#22 - 2016-12-02 15:50:17 UTC
Login last night as alpha to see eve after few months got 15min max out of it alphas are extremely limited from my point of view from new players it's OK to get a taste of a game and go sub or die from boredom.

But for me with gazilion isk in assets and billions in isk it was restricted nightmare...

To have playable expirience i would need access to all size meta drones and as well as all sub cap race specific ship classes would settle for BS restriction so ppl don't go farming l4 and incursions ez pz but BC tier 3 should be fair game so yes large guns trainable.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#23 - 2016-12-02 15:58:47 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Login last night as alpha to see eve after few months got 15min max out of it alphas are extremely limited from my point of view from new players it's OK to get a taste of a game and go sub or die from boredom.

But for me with gazilion isk in assets and billions in isk it was restricted nightmare...

To have playable expirience i would need access to all size meta drones and as well as all sub cap race specific ship classes would settle for BS restriction so ppl don't go farming l4 and incursions ez pz but BC tier 3 should be fair game so yes large guns trainable.


Step 1: Go to trade hub of choice
Step 2: Buy plex off market with those riches
Step 3: Activate plex, you now have 30 days of Omega.
Step 4: Grind more isk using your preferred method to buy next months plex.
Step 5: Congratulations! You are playing for free as an Omega and you didnt have to swipe a credit card!
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-12-02 16:09:41 UTC
If you play only eve online, a 15 euro/month subscription is more than acceptable.

If you play Wow. Eve, FF, and whatever all together it's 15+15+15 and so on, it can become more difficult to accept for your wallet...

So it's only a matter of choices.

I criticize many aspects of this game, namely hisec ganking and wardec system, but from the moment I began to play Eve I was naturally playing only Eve so it's not a problem to pay subscription.
Aurelius Oshidashi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2016-12-02 16:10:27 UTC
There's only 1 situation where I wouldn't advise whiners like the OP to STFU and get a job. That's when due to a medical reason you can't secure a sufficient income for a sub.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#26 - 2016-12-02 16:32:34 UTC
Serafiel wrote:
Toobo wrote:
On a different topic, purely cosmetic microtransactions and money sinks can work very well too if done right, as proven in various other commercially successful games. I'm not too fussed about alpha accounts game play, while some things are limited there were other things limited as trial accounts as well. But I do think more expansions on cosmetic things could be good, not just ship SKINS.


True, but if you compare median player age of those "other games" and EVE...you might see the difference and the problem: Adults tend not to throw money on bullshit like that.


Almost 60% of World of Tanks players are over the age of 25. So it would seem that adults do indeed "Throw money on bullshit like that".

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#27 - 2016-12-02 16:35:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
I do rather think that the moniker "F2P2 is...incorrect, at least when applied to the Alpha states. What is also wrong is assuming that true F2P can just be bolted on to a game like EVE and have it be successful. The reason games like World of Tanks work with a F2P model is because they were designed, from the ground up to be truly "Free to Play". EVE is not.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#28 - 2016-12-02 16:37:38 UTC
let's say you spend 15 hours/month playing, which for most people is very conservative. A subscription is $12/month. That's $0.80 per hour. If you can't afford $0.80/hour for entertainment, you really should be looking for a better job instead of playing video games.
Kara Hawke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-12-02 16:43:18 UTC
I was a little irritated when I saw all the limitations Alphas had. But as time goes on, I've realized the reason I've been coming back to this game for 9 years.. it's not Pay to Win - and I'm invested in my characters. I've seen so many games go down the pay to win road and while some have prospered (World of Tanks) the majority die a quick death or become virtually unplayable. Eve has such an intricate community and economy, I want to keep coming back for another 9 years and enjoying New Eden. $15 a month for two accounts is for me less than two hours of work. The time I spend goofing off on my phone at work and In the bathroom pooping on the clock is literally paying for my accounts. Except for when I buy plex and my credit card company calls me asking if I've spent over $100 on something called Eve Online. Then it kinda stings.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-12-02 17:05:45 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
let's say you spend 15 hours/month playing, which for most people is very conservative. A subscription is $12/month. That's $0.80 per hour. If you can't afford $0.80/hour for entertainment, you really should be looking for a better job instead of playing video games.

This is a kind of ignorant statement I can see come up a lot. 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for many people, and just willy-nilly finding a better job is not exactly a trivial task in many places of the world. Yes, 15 bucks is pocket change for many people in the states or the better off parts of europe, but we first world rich guys aren't the only people on this oblate space spheroid we call earth.

However, all this doesn't change the fact that CCP need money to operate, and truly "free to play" MMOGs are always an illusion. They simply cost money to make and maintain. And as much as I would like to see more people gain full access to the game by not being hit with a price tag they can't afford to pay, I'm afraid it's ultimately not possible.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#31 - 2016-12-02 17:06:59 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
let's say you spend 15 hours/month playing, which for most people is very conservative. A subscription is $12/month. That's $0.80 per hour. If you can't afford $0.80/hour for entertainment, you really should be looking for a better job instead of playing video games.


This is of course true. It's definitely true for me. I calculate that one day of EVE Online game time costs me 1 minute of work (2 hours of working pays the subs for my 4 accounts for a month). 1 minute of work for 1410 hours of game access. That one minute of work gets me more game time than I could reasonably use (because I like sleeping and i have to work lol).

EVE is 50 cents a day to play in my countries currency, most people can dig 50 cents out of their couch cushions or pick up loose change in a Walmart parking lot and have enough money to sub EVE Online forever.

So when I've come to these forum and see people complaining 1st about the isk cost of PLEX (ridicules, even at it's height a plex = a couple high sec missions or null sec anomalies per day) and now how "EVE F2P is not F enough", I just shake my head. People are literally on this forum crying about pennies.

But we know why, and it's why I love to link this picture. CCP has to deal with this reality (thus this F2P stuff) rather than sit back and rely on the very few rational people who understand value and know that 50 cents isn't a lot of money anywhere except maybe Zimbabwe lol.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#32 - 2016-12-02 17:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Login last night as alpha to see eve after few months got 15min max out of it alphas are extremely limited from my point of view from new players it's OK to get a taste of a game and go sub or die from boredom.

But for me with gazilion isk in assets and billions in isk it was restricted nightmare...

To have playable expirience i would need access to all size meta drones and as well as all sub cap race specific ship classes would settle for BS restriction so ppl don't go farming l4 and incursions ez pz but BC tier 3 should be fair game so yes large guns trainable.


Step 1: Go to trade hub of choice
Step 2: Buy plex off market with those riches
Step 3: Activate plex, you now have 30 days of Omega.
Step 4: Grind more isk using your preferred method to buy next months plex.
Step 5: Congratulations! You are playing for free as an Omega and you didnt have to swipe a credit card!


Have those in hangar already and is beside point .

For a vet restriction are too stronk! In my opinion to stay and do/provide content .

It is just mine opinion of more balanced playable expirience ie add another ship class BCs and toss in meta drones all sizes

For me personaly tossing plex in is waste of my time and won't be back until "lipstick on a pig"stop being go to solution for eve hell I barely left pretty sure some of my alts are still omegas.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#33 - 2016-12-02 17:26:22 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
let's say you spend 15 hours/month playing, which for most people is very conservative. A subscription is $12/month. That's $0.80 per hour. If you can't afford $0.80/hour for entertainment, you really should be looking for a better job instead of playing video games.

This is a kind of ignorant statement I can see come up a lot. 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for many people, and just willy-nilly finding a better job is not exactly a trivial task in many places of the world. Yes, 15 bucks is pocket change for many people in the states or the better off parts of europe, but we first world rich guys aren't the only people on this oblate space spheroid we call earth.

However, all this doesn't change the fact that CCP need money to operate, and truly "free to play" MMOGs are always an illusion. They simply cost money to make and maintain. And as much as I would like to see more people gain full access to the game by not being hit with a price tag they can't afford to pay, I'm afraid it's ultimately not possible.


The fact of the statement is to play eve requires a piece of equipment called a computer. Said computer cost a good chunk of change. Even if you buy a cheap low end computer, they only last 3-4 years maybe if your lucky while more expensive ones will last 5 or more. But if you can afford a computer to play eve on, then you can afford a subscription.

How many people complain about not being able to afford Eve but have smartphones and wear designer clothes? " Well i have to have phone and i have to wear clothes!" ...." Yeah but you dont need a $500 phone or a $60 pair of jeans".

If you live in a poor country, chances are you cant afford the computer to play eve on anyway, nor the internet connection required to play eve. So it, in my eyes, is a completely false statement to say " i cant afford eve" while typing it over the internet on a computer. You obviously have the means to afford internet and a computer( and electricity).

Ask your ISP if you can have free internet so you can pay an Eve sub. Go on ask them!. See what they tell you....when they stop laughing.
Josef Djugashvilis
#34 - 2016-12-02 17:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Dear OP, if you feel that free to play is too limited and you are not willing to lash out £90.00 for an annual sub, or willing to earn a PLEX in-game, then please take your, greedy; sorry ass whinging to another game.

Take care.

This is not a signature.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#35 - 2016-12-02 17:29:23 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
This is a kind of ignorant statement I can see come up a lot. 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for many people, and just willy-nilly finding a better job is not exactly a trivial task in many places of the world. Yes, 15 bucks is pocket change for many people in the states or the better off parts of europe, but we first world rich guys aren't the only people on this oblate space spheroid we call earth.

However, all this doesn't change the fact that CCP need money to operate, and truly "free to play" MMOGs are always an illusion. They simply cost money to make and maintain. And as much as I would like to see more people gain full access to the game by not being hit with a price tag they can't afford to pay, I'm afraid it's ultimately not possible.


Video games are a luxury. Not a necessity. I spent years working full time while putting myself through school at night (averaging 80-90 hour weeks total) to prove I deserved a decent job to an employer. I played zero video games during that time, for obvious reasons. You won't find much sympathy from me.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#36 - 2016-12-02 17:30:15 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Login last night as alpha to see eve after few months got 15min max out of it alphas are extremely limited from my point of view from new players it's OK to get a taste of a game and go sub or die from boredom.

But for me with gazilion isk in assets and billions in isk it was restricted nightmare...

To have playable expirience i would need access to all size meta drones and as well as all sub cap race specific ship classes would settle for BS restriction so ppl don't go farming l4 and incursions ez pz but BC tier 3 should be fair game so yes large guns trainable.


Step 1: Go to trade hub of choice
Step 2: Buy plex off market with those riches
Step 3: Activate plex, you now have 30 days of Omega.
Step 4: Grind more isk using your preferred method to buy next months plex.
Step 5: Congratulations! You are playing for free as an Omega and you didnt have to swipe a credit card!


Have those in hangar already and is beside point .

For a vet restriction are too stronk! In my opinion to stay and do/provide content .

It is just mine opinion of more balanced playable expirience ie add another ship class BCs and toss in meta drones all sizes

For me personaly tossing plex in is waste of my time and won't be back until "lipstick on a pig"stop being go to solution for eve hell I barely left pretty sure some of my alts are still omegas.


Then dont play, if playing for free by earning isk in game doing the things you would be doing in game anyway is a waste of time, then obviously nothing is going to please you unless CCP sends you a check every week to play their game.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#37 - 2016-12-02 17:31:07 UTC
OP, it can truthfully be said you are currently getting more than your money's worth.

So why are you complaining?

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mkint
#38 - 2016-12-02 17:40:26 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
let's say you spend 15 hours/month playing, which for most people is very conservative. A subscription is $12/month. That's $0.80 per hour. If you can't afford $0.80/hour for entertainment, you really should be looking for a better job instead of playing video games.

This is a kind of ignorant statement I can see come up a lot. 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for many people, and just willy-nilly finding a better job is not exactly a trivial task in many places of the world. Yes, 15 bucks is pocket change for many people in the states or the better off parts of europe, but we first world rich guys aren't the only people on this oblate space spheroid we call earth.

However, all this doesn't change the fact that CCP need money to operate, and truly "free to play" MMOGs are always an illusion. They simply cost money to make and maintain. And as much as I would like to see more people gain full access to the game by not being hit with a price tag they can't afford to pay, I'm afraid it's ultimately not possible.

Likewise, they say that if a smartphone was made in the US it'd cost something like $15,000. So... hooray for standing on the backs of the downtrodden I guess? Ok, not really, but there is income disparity in the world. And while it is sad, it doesn't mean I'm not going to NOT buy a new smartphone every couple years. And while, yeah, it is sad some people can't afford to play a video game... ok, well maybe that's actually about as sad as people not being able to afford mescaline - completely unnecessary and really not good for you to begin with.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#39 - 2016-12-02 17:41:06 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Login last night as alpha to see eve after few months got 15min max out of it alphas are extremely limited from my point of view from new players it's OK to get a taste of a game and go sub or die from boredom.

But for me with gazilion isk in assets and billions in isk it was restricted nightmare...

To have playable expirience i would need access to all size meta drones and as well as all sub cap race specific ship classes would settle for BS restriction so ppl don't go farming l4 and incursions ez pz but BC tier 3 should be fair game so yes large guns trainable.


Step 1: Go to trade hub of choice
Step 2: Buy plex off market with those riches
Step 3: Activate plex, you now have 30 days of Omega.
Step 4: Grind more isk using your preferred method to buy next months plex.
Step 5: Congratulations! You are playing for free as an Omega and you didnt have to swipe a credit card!


Have those in hangar already and is beside point .

For a vet restriction are too stronk! In my opinion to stay and do/provide content .

It is just mine opinion of more balanced playable expirience ie add another ship class BCs and toss in meta drones all sizes

For me personaly tossing plex in is waste of my time and won't be back until "lipstick on a pig"stop being go to solution for eve hell I barely left pretty sure some of my alts are still omegas.


Then dont play, if playing for free by earning isk in game doing the things you would be doing in game anyway is a waste of time, then obviously nothing is going to please you unless CCP sends you a check every week to play their game.


I dont play and don't need no such payment I stated why and maybe when I will be back,don't let your raging fanboyism put words in my mouth.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2016-12-02 17:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
You can play Eve reasonably well on a 300$ machine, perhaps even less than that and you don't need to buy it specifically to play Eve. I for example already had a computer that I used for other things when I started playing Eve, dunno about you. So, no having a computer does not automatically mean that 10-15 bucks a month on top of that is easy to come by for everyone. So the fact still stands, many people who could technically play Eve may be getting shut out because it's simply too expensive for them, and no, not all of them can just go and get a better job. Go ask a guy in Brazil how much his hard earned Reales can buy him in the rest of the world right now and you'll understand. And yes, people there have computers and even internet, believe it or not.

But again: This doesn't mean Eve can realistically get much cheaper or even become free, and that's not at all what I am trying to convey. However, those sorts of statements are ignorant and uncalled for, and a slap in the face for people who are not lucky enough to have been born in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Video games are a luxury. Not a necessity. I spent years working full time while putting myself through school at night (averaging 80-90 hour weeks total) to prove I deserved a decent job to an employer. I played zero video games during that time, for obvious reasons. You won't find much sympathy from me.

I can subscribe to that. Video games are a luxury not everyone can afford, nor does everyone need to be able to afford them. However, people who can afford luxury blurting out that those who can't should just go and get a better job are probably not aware of how lucky they are, compared to many others. Be thankful that wherever you live you can go to a good school, find a good job, work hard and get decently wealthy, if maybe not rich off it, but don't look down on those who can't.