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Can we have ISBOX back ?

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2Sonas1Cup
#1 - 2016-12-02 11:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.

I think it's time for CCP to reconsider the option to allow us key broadcasting and let us have fun in your game for once.


I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

The "dying" patterns we have come used to see in eve with 15k players online at peak times, compared to when ISBOX was allowed with 40k+ players online at all times, are proof enough that removing the ability to key broadcasting in eve isn't so smart, and actually kills the game for MANY people, not only the ones that do it but also everyone else that would be involved in whatever activity provided by ISBOX.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop and rethink about how much more content, events, situations and general activity in eve, key broadcasting can provide to everyone, together with happiness and enjoyment, bringing this game back alive again.

Thanks for reading.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-12-02 11:53:06 UTC
:thinking:

it's friday... when people usually log off their brains and start speaking about whatever pass through their minds
:thinking:

yea... just a friday
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-12-02 11:56:23 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2016-12-02 11:56:35 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.

I think it's time for CCP to reconsider the option to allow us key broadcasting and let us have fun in your game for once.


I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

The "dying" patterns we have come used to see in eve with 15k players online at peak times, compared to when ISBOX was allowed with 40k+ players online at all times, are proof enough that removing the ability to key broadcasting in eve isn't so smart, and actually kills the game for MANY people, not only the ones that do it but also everyone else that would be involved in whatever activity provided by ISBOX.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop and rethink about how much more content, events, situations and general activity in eve, key broadcasting can provide to everyone, together with happiness and enjoyment, bringing this game back alive again.

Thanks for reading.


No.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-12-02 12:03:28 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

Are there really people who see it this way?

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-12-02 12:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.


ISBOX wasn't banned. Broadcasting was. And we didn't see a decline in player numbers at all, we saw a decline in alts. Very few people actually left the game over this, I would wager. No, you cannot have 20 stealth bomber pilots on one PC all firing their bombs with the push of one button and taking out capitals in the process. Get out of here with that crap.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Wanda Fayne
#7 - 2016-12-02 12:16:13 UTC
No thanks

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Prince Kobol
#8 - 2016-12-02 12:19:06 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.

I think it's time for CCP to reconsider the option to allow us key broadcasting and let us have fun in your game for once.


I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

The "dying" patterns we have come used to see in eve with 15k players online at peak times, compared to when ISBOX was allowed with 40k+ players online at all times, are proof enough that removing the ability to key broadcasting in eve isn't so smart, and actually kills the game for MANY people, not only the ones that do it but also everyone else that would be involved in whatever activity provided by ISBOX.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop and rethink about how much more content, events, situations and general activity in eve, key broadcasting can provide to everyone, together with happiness and enjoyment, bringing this game back alive again.

Thanks for reading.


As a former ISBox user.. nope

The advantage it gave was pretty obscene. I used it primary to run 3 passive tengus running LvL5 missions. The amount of isk I earned with such little effort was ridiculous.

It was abused so much.

From running huge mining fleets to Incursion fleets.

I enjoyed it whiled it lasted but its a good thing its gone.

2Sonas1Cup
#9 - 2016-12-02 12:26:43 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.

I think it's time for CCP to reconsider the option to allow us key broadcasting and let us have fun in your game for once.


I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

The "dying" patterns we have come used to see in eve with 15k players online at peak times, compared to when ISBOX was allowed with 40k+ players online at all times, are proof enough that removing the ability to key broadcasting in eve isn't so smart, and actually kills the game for MANY people, not only the ones that do it but also everyone else that would be involved in whatever activity provided by ISBOX.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop and rethink about how much more content, events, situations and general activity in eve, key broadcasting can provide to everyone, together with happiness and enjoyment, bringing this game back alive again.

Thanks for reading.


As a former ISBox user.. nope

The advantage it gave was pretty obscene. I used it primary to run 3 passive tengus running LvL5 missions. The amount of isk I earned with such little effort was ridiculous.

It was abused so much.

From running huge mining fleets to Incursion fleets.

I enjoyed it whiled it lasted but its a good thing its gone.



The advantage or not advantage isnt part of the equation any longer.

When you speak about advantage but I speak about in game activity, thriving and everyones enjoyment, that advantage you speak of becomes a positive in the equation and not a negative like you are trying to imply.

As I said, all what key broadcasting does is to provide life to EVE and everyone, and money too ccp.

Or is it better to have 15k players online, 10k of them docked rather than 40k and thriving in game content?


I really hope CCP realise that eve is much better game to everyone with key broadcasting, advantage or not isnt the case here, but the fun, the content and activity.
Prince Kobol
#10 - 2016-12-02 12:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
I get where your coming from, I really do, however I am sure when CCP decided to implement the ban they took a long hard look at the numbers before they decided to act.

They knew people where going to drop alts because of the change yet went ahead anyway.

That alone should tell you in their eyes how much damage it was doing to the game overall.

You talking about activity, where is the activity, the social element, the enjoyment to having one person control x number of ship mining, mission running, Incursion, bombing fleets etc.

Where is the interaction?

Where is the enjoyment other then that one person is having?

As I said, I used it, I abused it and it was good whilst it lasted, but even I knew that it was detrimental to the game.

Group activities should be done by a group of people, not one person with his own fleet that they control with infinite ease.

As for the PCU numbers, they are misleading in the context we are talking about. They only show logged in accounts, not how many individual players are playing.

I would prefer a lower PCU if it means more individual people playing then having an inflated PCU count because everybody is flying with 4 accounts.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#11 - 2016-12-02 12:44:57 UTC
The drop in numbers around that time wasn't just about ISBoxer/input broadcasting but the almost scorched earth approach to changing some things in the game which hit heavily on people who were using the same feature but unrelated to the problem with that feature and instead of trying to find a happy balance (which often existed) CCP often just swung a bat at it. Surprise surprise a lot of people quit.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#12 - 2016-12-02 12:45:01 UTC
Only if I can buy it for PLEX.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#13 - 2016-12-02 12:46:13 UTC
I tend to be playing the game (or at least hang out with people who do) in the way CCP doesn't want. :p Last month I 'raged' about ban on gambling and many people I hung out on daily basis quit EVE. :(

Oh man, now you bring back the ISBoxer topic, yes, I did lose some EVE friends over that too, who rage quit when it got banned. It was obscene what you could do/earn with it but personally I didn't do it and I didn't think it was an issue, but CCP thought it was. It was also obscene what you could make from ISK gambling but I didn't think it was an issue, but CCP thought it was.

Oh well.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#14 - 2016-12-02 12:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Toobo wrote:

Oh man, now you bring back the ISBoxer topic, yes, I did lose some EVE friends over that too, who rage quit when it got banned.


I knew a fair few people including several workmates IRL who ran a lot of accounts (10+) and ISBoxer being banned wasn't always the tipping point though it was one of the things that drove them to the edge (though it was what resulted in a good number of them quitting). It was a mix of factors that happened around that time.

Can't say I'm really bothered by input broadcasting bans myself though - its pretty trivial to multi-box say 3x sentry T3s with one running a tinker tank type setup without any kind of broadcasting or additional software.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-12-02 12:58:09 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:


When you speak about advantage but I speak about in game activity, thriving and everyones enjoyment, that advantage you speak of becomes a positive in the equation and not a negative like you are trying to imply.


On what planet?

It's one thing for CCP to make a profit. They need to. That's fine. Doing it at the expense of the vast majority of players who can't afford/don't have the time to PLEX/don't want to run a vast array of accounts is ******* rubbish. That advantage they get is balance breaking. You don't just break the balance of a game just for the sake of profit. Right now, everyone's on a pretty even playing field. Multiboxers have to divide their attention between their accounts. They won't have to do this with broadcasting. One bomb launcher becomes 20 with the push of a button. Level 4-5 missions become ten minute affairs and suddenly, the market is flooded with too much isk. Ice belts disappear in minutes, leaving nothing for the 'little guy'.

Don't sit there and tell me that a paid-for advantage of this potential scale is a good thing for a game like this. That's just absolute demonstrable nonsense.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-12-02 13:12:31 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

Are there really people who see it this way?


There are people who still think the world is flat. People can delude themselves into just about anything if it supports their world view.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#17 - 2016-12-02 13:17:10 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:


It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in alt numbers since ISBOX was banned.



Corrected.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Jason Coralin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-12-02 13:20:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

Group activities should be done by a group of people, not one person with his own fleet that they control with infinite ease.


Why? Serious question.

Why are group players morally superior to solo players in your eyes?

Some people, for numerous and varied reasons, don't want to group up.

ISBoxer allowed the solo minded player to compete with the groups. Why is that a bad thing? Why leave the solo players out in the cold and not let them play in the sandbox?

Anyway, is what it is. I just don't understand why CCP is so hostile to solo minded players.

P.S. You probably don't really know how ISBoxer worked if you are saying it was with "infinite ease".
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#19 - 2016-12-02 13:33:08 UTC
I have 5 accounts in my mining fleet. I have always individually controlled them. part of the fun is being able to fly safely by my own merits.from scouting ahead while hauling to mining in hulks and orcas.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-12-02 13:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jason Coralin wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

Group activities should be done by a group of people, not one person with his own fleet that they control with infinite ease.


Why? Serious question.

Why are group players morally superior to solo players in your eyes?


Strawman. Come back when you've grown up.

EDIT: And when you do, got a question for you, if you wanna dive into morality. Why should one player only benefit from rewards that are intended for a group effort?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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