Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So we all know about specialization - minmatar/caldari for missiles, gallent/amarr for drones.
What doesnt make sense is:
caldari and minmatar actually have drone skills that allow them to use drones. 5 drones, mining and light.
Amarr and gallente HAVE missile skills (missile launcher operation 1, defender missiles 1) but those allows to use... Nothing. Nothing at all. Even if they have ships to utilise this weapon system.
So cal/min can at least have a glimpse into what they are missing whereas am/gal have only skills to train with no benefit whatsoever.

Suggested change:
Variant 1: block missile skills from gallente/amarr completely to not cause confusion (and maybe for fairness reasons drone skills for min/cal)
Variant 2: unlock rockets 1 and/or missile launcher operation 2+light missiles 1 to gallente/amarr clones so they can at least try those weapon systems.

Edit: was missing "defender" in defender missiles skill. Sorry for possible confusion.

Incorrect. Ship need to have launcher hardpoint (present on 3 gallente ships, 4 amarr ships and both special edition SoTC ships from those ships available for alpha clones). And also skills, but that was covered above.

Suggested solution to non problem - If you want fuller functionality - pay for a subscription. Heck you can even get super good at Eve and just trade that super goodness for iskies and in turn trade those iskies for PLEX and play for free.

THE POINT of the alpha clone is that you choose free and limited over subscription and unlimited. It's what experts are calling a black and white choice.

This is like the 5th way you ninnies have tried to back door full noob fleet functionality into these free clones. News flash - those of us that are paying for the things you are using for free are kind of happy that your limited free clone frustrates you. This isn't America where you are somehow entitled to free food, boarding, clothing and cell phones at the expense of my hard earned taxes. Luckily in this epic space fantasy - you have to pay for full service.

I only hope CCP recognizes the slippery slope they are on with their PAYING customer base.


TL/DR - For crying out lout, just pay the subscription

I am aware of this as stated in original post. Problem is one of following:
-not being able to fit any missile/rocket launcher - only thing this affect is that half of empires cant experience unique missile mechanics while other half can experience it all (even combat with light drones)... Practically if amarr/gallente would be able to train MLO lvl 1 and light missile lvl 1, only use would be just that, trying its mechanics as it would be useless in their ship lineup. It affects rookie ship, explo frigate, drone carrying cruiser (only amarr. And who in sane mind would prefer missiles over, say, NOS?) and EWAR cruiser.

-in current state being able to buy and train defender missiles on gallente/amarr alpha. It has no reason whatsoever (apart of creating chaos in minds of newbies) to be allowed for those and doesnt make sense in current state of skill limitations.





Yeah, because bare minimum skills to fit 1-3 missile launcher with no support skills into 3-4 ships with no bonuses to missiles for alpha clones will grant them so much firepower they will steamroll everything and everyone in both PvE and PvP. Man that is one of most stupid things i have heard in several days, on par with european commision suggested legislative Congratz.
May i advice you to, next time, read post, then think about logic or illogicality behind current state (=possibility of training defender missiles skill with inability to use missiles or rockets), then think about both logic and consequences of proposed change, how they can be applied to greater benefit or what might be actual reasoning behind those ideas and MAYBE then post anything, preferably only if its constructive?

Gallente's Missile Launcher 1 skill, is used for the ability to fit Probe Launchers for Astrometrics. If Anything, the Defender 1 skill should be removed as that need ML 2.

the reason they can use defender missiles is for the December change to them... that said yes they should all be able to use at least light missiles and rockets