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A new titan-based ship with moon-related weapon or something like that

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Pinkylein
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#1 - 2016-11-30 12:00:32 UTC
Hey everyone,

first of all ... maybe someone brought the idea up already at one point, then sorry, did not search for that. ^^

Since i just read a bit in the threat about stagnation in nullsec, i thought a bit about a possible thing that might change it.

One thing of interest are and have been always the moons.

Since POS-attacks are something really interesting and can happen from time to time, what about if you could inflict temporary damage to the moons itself to damage the direct income of the opposite party for some time.

What i thought about it would be some kind of super-based ship, maybe a T2 titan with special ability to mount some kinds of doomsday weapon that cannot attack ships, but can be used to attack moons directly.

That weapon would need to run for quite some time then, maybe 2-3 hours, the ship could not abort it, could not warp but could of course defend itself and would probably need defense.

If the attack succeeds, that moon could not be used to harvest materials for 1 week. If the moon is under attack, at that moment transfer of moon-goo will stop and the owner might receive a mail, with a notification that the moon-harvester could not harvest any materials, because of unknown circumstances or something like that

Could bring up some action.

Why a titan-based ship? Well if it's too small and too easy to build, it would make it easy to attack at several points at the same time and would inflate attacks on moons. Thatswhy that ship with that weapon needs to be expensive enough that you might want to defend it with a proper force. Or you want to generate content by pulling in a defense-fleet to have a fight.


Best regards
Pinky
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2016-11-30 13:49:27 UTC
LOL yeay-erm no!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2016-11-30 14:38:17 UTC
If you can afford a T2 titan you can afford enough dreads to RF the pos in 5 minutes. Or just drop siphons constantly.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2016-11-30 14:42:36 UTC
.. if you are there for 2h why are you not just killing the pos



also did he just say pos bashing was interesting?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2016-11-30 15:15:03 UTC
What stagnation in nullsec?
Pinkylein
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#6 - 2016-11-30 15:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinkylein
Well i am not living there :D but it seems some ppl complain that there are like 3 super powers that are in stagnation in between each others..

And it's not only about killing the POS.

A POS is easily replaced i think. But if you cannot use a R64 moon for a week ... might be something people don't see as easy as a temporary lost POS. It's more a general idea to bring something new.

And a POS probably needs to be taken into RF, and shooting it into RF takes for some gangs maybe 10min ...

But if you bypass the POS and hit the moon directly, so even the POS will still be up and running and cost fuel for nothing that might be something you cannot ... just replace, since the moon won't be accessable.

And it's not about a region you can easily take over.

Maby a good moon in the middle of their space, somewhere in the back. Not taking the moon, but just make it unusuable for the enemy for a time to reduce their income.

And the T2 titan was just an idea. But if it's something small and cheap to build ... it would be too massive, to attack like 100 moons at once. It needs to be balanced. Worth for the one to attack with, and worth for the defenders come to try stopping whats going on.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#7 - 2016-11-30 15:43:02 UTC
you are going to drop a (t2) titan into the middle of their space and hold it there for 2hrs? if you are able to do that you are able to take the system and put up your own pos
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2016-11-30 15:53:01 UTC
Aren't pos's going to removed anyways? I thought we are getting the drilling citadels next month or so.

You probably read it wrong. There is nothing stagnating in null. Sov changes happen all the time and you will always find someone in null that wants to murder your boat.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2016-11-30 16:37:57 UTC
Moons just need to deplete over time. 24/7 moon mining hollows out a moon after mining it for a week. ISK gained with no effort (moon mining and PI are at the top of this) needs to go away
Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2016-11-30 17:31:00 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Aren't pos's going to removed anyways? I thought we are getting the drilling citadels next month or so.

You probably read it wrong. There is nothing stagnating in null. Sov changes happen all the time and you will always find someone in null that wants to murder your boat.



not in the next month or so (probably not even this year) CCP is going to spend the next several adding missing features to the current ones. not bump-able when tethered put items into citadel w/o dock ect. I just hope taxing compression is on that list
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-11-30 17:49:42 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

also did he just say pos bashing was interesting?


Well sometime you get a response fleet and possibly a fight.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2016-11-30 18:38:23 UTC
Pinkylein wrote:
Well i am not living there :D but it seems some ppl complain that there are like 3 super powers that are in stagnation in between each others..




Might I suggest you actually find out about nullsec before you propose gamebreaking changes to deal with stagnation that doesn't even exist?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2016-11-30 18:45:45 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

also did he just say pos bashing was interesting?


Well sometime you get a response fleet and possibly a fight.


yeah that can be interesting but the bashing certainly isn't
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2016-11-30 22:08:57 UTC
Pinkylein wrote:
Well i am not living there :D but it seems some ppl complain that there are like 3 super powers that are in stagnation in between each others..

And it's not only about killing the POS.

A POS is easily replaced i think. But if you cannot use a R64 moon for a week ... might be something people don't see as easy as a temporary lost POS. It's more a general idea to bring something new.

And a POS probably needs to be taken into RF, and shooting it into RF takes for some gangs maybe 10min ...

But if you bypass the POS and hit the moon directly, so even the POS will still be up and running and cost fuel for nothing that might be something you cannot ... just replace, since the moon won't be accessable.

And it's not about a region you can easily take over.

Maby a good moon in the middle of their space, somewhere in the back. Not taking the moon, but just make it unusuable for the enemy for a time to reduce their income.

And the T2 titan was just an idea. But if it's something small and cheap to build ... it would be too massive, to attack like 100 moons at once. It needs to be balanced. Worth for the one to attack with, and worth for the defenders come to try stopping whats going on.

The POS Isn't that easily replaced. Assuming they've max stronted it, it'll be useless for 1 day and 17 hours. Then you kill it and drop your own pos and max stront that, and they have to wait at least another 1 day and 17 hours to kill that. That's half a week at least of them not being able to mine the moon, without having to sit on your rear defending something for two hours in hostile space. POS bashes don't even take that long. Good luck on rallying your line members around "ok guys we're going to sit on this thing for two hours so the enemy can't use their moon for a week. we're not actually getting a moon out of this, just denying them income."

Or again, just keep dropping siphons that only cost 20 mil on it. 2 siphons will completely leech off all production of goo on the moon. It'll slowly drive them mad. Just be sure to empty them so they don't get any goo back.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#15 - 2016-12-01 00:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
I was coming in to this hoping for a suggestion that would turn good moons in to fuel for stationary weapons plaforms.

I am disappointed, so I offer a counter suggestion.

A structure that anchors on moons capable of targeting other structures in the system with DPS relative to the quality of moon goo it takes in.

Basically deathstars with system-range structure-only doomsdays that have to be fueled with goo from a moon they're anchored on. So you'd have to choose whether to use good moons for mining or as power sources system security.

You'd have to align them to target a specific structure in system for them to work. So, if not targeting anything, structure has a custom vuln window. If targeting something, it adopts the target's vuln window, meaning it can only fire at the target when both it and its target are vulnerable to attack. Because its a giant space gun its target is clearly visible by looking at it. "Targeting xxxx"

With a couple of these set up you could siege a vulnerable structure from a defensive rather than offensive position, kinda like having bulwarks and trebuchets set up while attacking a castle in stead of sending a bunch of dudes at it and trying to climb the walls like we do now.

You could even have racial variants with cool weapons. A Caldari one with macross-level cruise missile spam across the system, giant amarr death laser, giant gal mass cannon that shoots massive asteroids, or giant minmatar artillery that just shoots old mammoth hulls loaded with IEDs