Intergalactic Summit

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to be part of a more cohesive framework of capsuleers directed towards more structured endeavours.

Ponder the great cats of Asakai III. La'nahmae, ghosts of the moon, I believe the natives called them (before Kaalakiota quietly assimilated Asakai III's culture and language). Terrible and august beasts, stealthy as night and powerful as premodern war vehicles. There is no way to predict or direct their mysterious lives, and they were so fearsome that even Home Guard were afraid to patrol Asakai forests by night.

Today, there are more across New Eden than there ever were on Asakai. They live in cages the Empires built, large cages they hardly know exist. Drop an unfortunate soul in their enclosure and it'd only be by the cat's whim that they should live. But in the end, the beasts only exist because we allow it. Were it to escape intent upon murder, it would cause a terrible riot but ultimately succumb after a brief slaughter. The monster is powerful, unpredictable, but ultimately, irrelevant. It is a spectacle, a beautiful and sobering one, but the world goes on around it though it neither knows nor cares.

Are we really as important as we think we are?

Your lack of understanding is wrapped up in a few truths here, Diana. We do not negotiate with criminal groups or terrorists. We do, however, negotiate with sovereign nations. I am not suggesting we should sit down and sign a treaty with Sansha or the Gurista. I am suggesting that after the fighting is over, we will have to sign a final treaty with the Federation - one that both sides intend to uphold.

This means it has to be acceptable to both sides, otherwise one side or the other will simply breach it. That's what people do with treaties that aren't negotiated in good faith.



Again, you're correct - as far as you go. However there IS a negotiation process for criminals after they've been brought to justice - it's called a criminal trial. They go to court. A tribunal looks at the evidence and decides if they're truly guilty or not and if they've been treated according to their rights. Then the tribunal passes judgement upon them - which one could call a negotiated settlement for peace. Once the criminals have honoured their end of the settlement - served their time, paid their fines and followed any limitations on their future lives - then they are considered to have honoured their side of the 'treaty' and their 'war' is over.



Here I have to chide you, Diana - and I only do so publicly because I've already done so privately and you clearly didn't listen. You don't get to decide such matters and pretending that you do will get you into trouble. Gurista are criminal until the State decides they have served their punishment. The Federation are the enemy for so long as the CEP decides that they are. The Federation is not a criminal organisation - although it's clear that many of the officials in their government have played fast and loose where the law is concerned. The Federation is a nation state with whom we are not in an open state of war - the STPRO is at war with the FDU, but it is a limited war. You cannot simply kill any Federal citizen you see in the warzone without being branded a pirate yourself.

If I were you, I would limit myself to carrying out the legal policy determined by my superiors and not on commenting on that policy. Don't forget that interpreting regulations for a superior is insubordination, Diana! You can't dictate to the CEP or the Caldari Navy or the State Protectorate what their policies should be!

The rest of your point above is poetry. It's stirring enough, I suppose, but it doesn't belong in a serious discussion. Are you a poet or a soldier?



I'm a little ashamed to have to explain collectivism to you, Diana. This is something that you should have learned in the creche. The way that it works is that everyone accepts a role and most of the time those roles are collaborative - but this is not always the case, because the State also needs checks and balances on power and competition between rival ideas to be healthy. Two businessmen who are competing for the same market - they are both contributing according to their role.

Soldiers have one role. Diplomats another. Both are necessary - even if Diana Kim doesn't like the Diplomats role. To quote my creche instructor - "Soldier. Shut up and soldier."



Again, this decision is far above your paygrade. You don't decide for Kaalakiota. You don't decide for The State. You don't decide for The Empire. Stop pretending you do!

Are you going to insult me now, Mr. Tuulinen?
Well, Mr. Tuulinen, you probably forgot what they are doing in Black Rise. And that's not a military operations. It is criminal activities, Mr. Tuulinen. And do you know, Mr. Tuulinen, how we call those, who commit criminal activities? We call them criminals, Mr. Tuulinen. And do you know, Mr. Tuulinen, what group they do belong? They belong to FedNavy, Mr. Tuulinen.

As for when the fight is over, I expect Federal charter to be invalidated, so we don't have to make any treaties with those, who can violate them again. We can make treaties with nations that will emerge from Federation ruins.


Now you are talking business, Mr. Tuulinen!
However there is a thing - you can't bring these criminals to tribunal, while they are hiding themselves behind FedNavy. First they shall be defeated, then captured, and only after that we can put them under tribunal.


I have already shown that Federation commits crimes, so I'll skip that part unless you will want more proof, which I can provide.

As for simply killing any Federal citizen - no, you can't do it even with open state war. Because the war, however it will be like, is waged against governments and those who defend them, but not against those, who live on these territories and don't hold weapons in their hands. Maybe Federals think that killing colonists is a 'normal' act of war (like they display when they genocide colonies in Black Rise), but for Caldari it is not the war - it is a crime, and piracy. We, Caldari, are professionals, and kill only military units, or otherwise support units that are engaged directly or indirectly in the hostilities.

And our war is not so limited as you have described. It is not just STPRO and FDU. All Federation Navy targets are valid targets for us, just like all FDU targets. And the Federation Navy is the main fighting force of the Federation, so saying that Federation Navy is our enemy, is same thing as saying we have a full scale war. After all, I can go kill Federation Navy even in high security space, for example, in Dodixie, and CONCORD won't mark me a pirate for that.

Besides that I would remind you about invasion of Federation Navy into sovereign territory of Caldari State outside of designated militia war borders in YC115. And we haven't replied to it yet with our own military action.


I do not argue orders, Mr. Tuulinen. I follow them and explain what I am doing provided it is allowed by operation security level.

And can't a soldier be a poet? Though I don't think I could say I am a poet much, I beleive I am more a philosopher, because if we don't look at all that happens around us without taking it philosophically, we could go nuts. It is unacceptable for Caldari Officer.

I cannot accept this freedom from responsibility for the zealots and the soldiers. As a human adult she is fully equipped to make those decisions and you only enable her behavior by making excuses for her and being dismissive of her role in her actions.

I suppose blunt objects who perform only one single function and no other are the perfect medium for the less savory aspects of your culture when you can just white wash them so simply. Perhaps that is why the State seems to rely so heavily on them as a portion of the population.


Maybe Diana Kim is just a good 'ol salt of the crust Caldari and we shouldn't judge her too harshly?

If anyone here should commit a suicide, it shall be you, Makoto Priano, since you have already disgraced yourself and lost your honor in front of whole IGS, when you was caught on public slanders and displayed cowardice instead of accepting challenge and answering for your words. Ref. is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560

Nonsense. The Fed Navy is commiting acts that are in contravention of law and, quite frankly, of human decency. That makes the officers and men involved criminal scumbags - once they're convicted. But you can't declare a nation state that even our own State recognises as such a criminal enterprise because you caught a few of them doing criminal things.

And that's why I say you don't know what you're talking about Diana. Not because I wish to insult your honour. Not because I'm picking a fight with you but because You. Do. Not. Know. What. You're. Talking About.

In addition it has NEVER been the position of The State that it has as a war goal the invasion and conquest of the Federation. Ever. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. I don't know how the confrontation between the State and the Federation will end - but it won't be through the destruction of the Federation. If that's what you're fighting for, you have a very bitter retirement ahead of you - but it will only be your own damn fault.



You aren't getting to them by going through the whole Federation Navy. A far better plan is to make their hideous crimes obvious and lay them bare to the public. Then you shame the Federal Navy into prosecuting those involved. Sadly for you, it will be diplomats who will win the victory that people like you and I put the ground work into.



I wasn't aware we could kill Federation Navy in highsec without consequence. That's interesting - previously I've only prosecuted them in low security space, and in high security space as part of a Caldari Navy operation.

Well, you're in favour of our alliance with the Empire and that is something the State's diplomats work long days to maintain and strengthen. Diplomacy and Soldiering often work hand in hand, diplomats are never at their strongest than when they have a military victory to back up their arguments. Likewise, a defeat can be softened by the hard fighting of our armed forces and allied auxiliaries - as happened above Caldari Prime.

You don't honour our diplomats - well, that's your opinion and I suppose you're entitled to it. I shouldn't need to point out that glorifying your own role at the expense of others is very much against the tenets of Heiian, Diana. That sort of thing is just not done.



You ought to learn the habit of prefacing your opinions as such, Diana. I'm telling you that is all that they are. I have not left the State. I have not surrendered my Citizenship. I have not gone Guri or turned traitor. I have simply chosen to serve the State in a different role than you have. Again, if you choose not to honour the role I've chosen - that's a matter for you, but if you think you're simply giving your opinion when you accuse someone of being a traitor and a criminal, you're wrong again.