Intergalactic Summit

Quite alright, these things happen.



Yes, but see, that's rather the point, isn't it? The Caldari State is prohibited from invading the Federation wholesale by CONCORD, and the other Yulai signatories would all (including the Amarr Empire) be required to enforce that by defending the Federation. Wouldn't it simply make more sense to stop the fighting, so that the gains you've made can't be reversed by the Federation?

Oh, totally. There's absolutely no reason for the governments involved to want anything but a continuation of the meaningless violence—they care more about the ISK being spent, the taxes being generated, and the sheer entertainment/propaganda value of the fighting than they do about the lives lost on and above those worlds.



The obvious answer, of course, is 'it would depend on when it happens'. Any war can have sudden reversals. If you know you can't hold onto your gains indefinitely, you offer peace when you're in a position of strength. If you know you can't retake your losses, you sue for peace while you can still make aggression costly.



Quite probably, yes—though some are already questioning whether this will mark an end to the war, or simply knock one of the parties out of it while the fighting shifts to the Vale of the Silent. The more interesting question for me, though, is where Circle-of-Two goes from here.

Gigx is a proud man—something that has been fairly consistently used against him, really. He betrayed his former allies in order to hold onto his space. Now he's lost that, to the very people whom he loudly proclaimed would be new allies. Black Omega, evicted from Syndicate, was folded into CO2 with only their industrial/pirate-hunting interests remaining semi-independent for branding purposes.

The closest thing he has to friends now is TEST, who fought to defend CO2 at least in part because CO2's presence in Tribute provided them a buffer zone where PL supercapitals wouldn't be basing to hunt TEST capitals and supers being used to generate income. If TEST isn't evicted, will CO2 look to crash on their couch for a while? Will they even be allowed to? Unlike FCON and RZR, CO2's relationship with XIX and the Drone Regions is amazingly bad. Their relations with Stainwagon are possibly worse—and Stainwagon, Red Alliance, and similar groups in the southeast have... other reasons... to Bee less than welcoming to CO2.

And those reasons mean you can be reasonably sure CO2 won't come within ten LY of Delve. So where do they go? Outer Ring? Who will actually trust Gigx to honor his alliances now, and not turn on his 'friends' as soon as they're inconvenient/he thinks he can get a better deal/he stabbing them in the back will let him save his own butt?

I know I'm gonna be making popcorn for weeks as the aftermath of this one unfolds.

Since Concord gave those responsible a slap on the wrist, shouldn't your grievance be with Concord for not enforcing the treaties our empires have signed? Concord did allow it to happen, allowed countless caldari to die at the hands of what is basically your arch rival. A rival that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize would do just what they did.... Food for thought.....

Well well, now ignorant asks to recognize his deliriums as "real facts".

Just look at these pearls. Especially this one.


Looks like little he knew that when these events happened (and actually why they did happen in first place) was a Gallente ground invasion on Caldari Prime. By doing so they have violated both Yulai convention and treaty of YC110. The fleet didn't get confirmation of the target and was moving in support position without actually bombarding. Though there were obviously hostile federal military units, not civilians.

And that fact could be verified by several footages that DUST mercenaries who fought for FDU side has provided.

Concord was repeatedly warned to leave Sovreign Caldari State space and repeatedly refused. In the end Admiral Yanala removed a ship that was a material threat to the safe navigation of her command. I don't remember having a single problem with the destruction of that battleship, since it also finally silenced the unwarranted arrogance of the Concord lapdog piloting it.

What happened after that was the Gallente breach of yet another peace treaty and their casual disregard of all the dangers that Operation Highlander represented to the population of the planet below. Had Admiral Yanala been insane enough to carry out the insane orders given her, the Highlander force would not have been able to prevent it from happening, meaning that their strike was neither precise nor surgical and that the only thing certain about it was the desecration of Home, the deaths of multiple innocent Gallente and Caldari citizens and, of course, yet another dead Caldari hero.

Fortunately Capsuleer forces on the field were able to ensure that for every tear issued by the Caldari people for the loss of Admiral Yanala, an equal amount of Federal Navy blood was shed during the shattering of that portion of the Highlander fleet that did not manage to successfully flee into warp.

I am devoted to the untangling of relations between Gallente Federation and Caldari State and I am more than willing to admit that there are sins aplenty on both sides of the line, but whilst we can argue over who was right and who was wrong, let's at least recognise the real facts.

I know we've done some work for the 24th, but I completely missed you being knighted, Pieter! Congratulations.

Would they? And what would they do? Shake fist? We all know how their HQ was blapped in YC110 just by several crazy tribals. Do you really think they would have a chance against whole Federation fleet? Their ship has been destroyed by our Navy, and what did they do? Sent their fleet against ours? That didn't happen.

Or maybe they knew already that we were the defending side.




Oh, right. A typical Blaque-ish propaganda. "Evil villains Caldari decided to fight themselves on the planet and made up a combat grounds for dust troopers for fun. To add to this entertainment, they moved the titan close to planet and decided to doomsday civilian districts on the ground so fighting dusties could see nice fireworks while they play with their guns. By there came Gallente President riding on a white nyx and killed all the baddies." That reminds some gallente crap holo-flicks I had misfortune to watch.

Luckily for us, the fact that there were exactly FDU insurgents was confirmed even by FDU. So, now, what Blaque will do? Will start assasinating their own troops? Would you assassinate some FDU ground troopers for saying what they saw, Mr. Ormand?

And who do you think can beleive your words, Mr. Ormand? I mean, besides some brainwashed gallente citizens who used to such sort of dumb scenarios from your holoreels.

These are the facts to my knowledge. And based off of concords response they seem all the more likely, but don't confuse that with a fanatical support of a government like Ms. Kim. I support the gallente ideals, not the government. I only support the government to a certain extent because if they fall then gallente ideals, too, will fall. I support freedom, Ms. Kim, which though I know you say you don't support freedom, but your actions of using your own freedom to support a government who will turn their back on you at a moments notice, says otherwise.

It's an oddity of the Napaani tongue. Diana is one of those Caldari who views that tongue as her native language, rather than the Caldari Standard that many of us grow up with. It certainly makes her Napaani very fluent, which can be a serious advantage.

Napanii doesn't have a word for freedom that is linguistically distinct from Chaos. It does contain a number of loan words, but nothing harking from the purer Raata core of the language.

I despise freedom cultists. It is very hard to speak with such fanatics who operate with their brainwashed destructive ideals instead of facts.