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[Caldari State] Liberation of Nennamaila

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#61 - 2016-12-07 21:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
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No, no, I think we're done here. Back to ignoring the rabid mongrel dog.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#62 - 2016-12-09 16:36:01 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
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No, no, I think we're done here. Back to ignoring the rabid mongrel dog.

Typical Priano. Nothing constructive, only lies and insults.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#63 - 2016-12-09 18:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Diana, I have a question:

Considering CONCORD will not allow the Caldari State to actually win the war against the Gallente, and both the State and Federation support this position* by not filing any sort of grievance with CONCORD or otherwise attempt to force long-term concessions from their enemy when they make significant gains, how do you consider this development to have any actual value?




* - Indeed, one could almost say the State and Federation are willing co-conspirators in what amounts to a plot to distract capsuleers, redirect their economic power into government coffers, and bleed off the most zealous elements of the baseliner population by encouraging them to sign up as crew on ships in the warzone.
Templar Thal Vadam
Dark Sefrim Six
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2016-12-09 18:11:22 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Diana, I have a question:

Considering CONCORD will not allow the Caldari State to actually win the war against the Gallente, and both the State and Federation support this position* by not filing any sort of grievance with CONCORD or otherwise attempt to force long-term concessions from their enemy when they make significant gains, how do you consider this development to have any actual value?




* - Indeed, one could almost say the State and Federation are willing co-conspirators in what amounts to a plot to distract capsuleers, redirect their economic power into government coffers, and bleed off the most zealous elements of the baseliner population by encouraging them to sign up as crew on ships in the warzone.


Even though I pretty much agree with this one hundred percent...The tinfoil is strong.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#65 - 2016-12-09 18:31:42 UTC
Templar Thal Vadam wrote:
Even though I pretty much agree with this one hundred percent...The tinfoil is strong.


I wish it were, Thal, but the fact remains that even tacit support is support. If any of the Empires opposed the idea of endless unresolved warfare, they'd say so.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#66 - 2016-12-09 18:35:18 UTC
When she's right, she's right. It's not exactly news that the nations are profiting from the "wars" while also having a useful distraction and venting outlet for the more aggressive parts of their populace and political powers. None of them are interested in an actual war breaking out because it'd be far too disruptive and risky, so they stave it off with a pretty little show.

It's even got a scoreboard and points system for the viewers at home. Convenient and entertaining.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#67 - 2016-12-09 19:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
Oh yes, our little pendulum war is entirely delightful. Except for maybe the inhabitants of Black Rise (and the rest of the warzone), but our warring is terrific for their economy, you know. As for me, I'm in it for the excellent and easy profit. Eventually I'll have to fund myself on a larger scale, but as long as the frogs still control our civilian populations, I can at least feel I'm doing something. I've flirted with the idea of fighting the Amarr some day, but I'm very fond my corporation and I don't want to cast and dispersion on my brother if he's ever a canidate for a program with the Empire or Kingdom someday. I've given my family enough black marks already.

I've even stopped attending clan reunions much. Become an egger and suddenly everybody thinks you're either their fairy godmother or at least that's I would singlehandedly end the slaver threat if I'd just join minmil.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2016-12-09 19:55:49 UTC
Mr. Nomistrav fought bravery.
The conflict has been resolved.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#69 - 2016-12-09 21:58:19 UTC
Ok, but that doesn't answer the question (which had nothing to do with him).
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#70 - 2016-12-09 22:16:27 UTC
That question wasn't on the topic, but I'll answer it.

The State promised us that we will invade the Federation after we secure the warzone, and eventually we will secure Luminaire and our Homeworld. This is worth fighting and dying for.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#71 - 2016-12-09 22:41:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
That question wasn't on the topic, but I'll answer it.


Sure it was. The original topic, not the distraction.

Quote:

The State promised us that we will invade the Federation after we secure the warzone, and eventually we will secure Luminaire and our Homeworld. This is worth fighting and dying for.


Except that the warzones are actually established and limited by CONCORD directives, like a sporting event, and the State can't legally take systems outside what amounts to the playing field.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2016-12-09 22:59:31 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
This is getting very annoying.

Is getting? More like already extremely annoying
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#73 - 2016-12-09 23:25:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

As her words stay, she stays a liar, it is simply as that. Removal of the tag could be achieved by her own desire to take it off, that she never displayed herself. Though I provided her back then with the easy way, she rejected it. If she chooses the conflict, then the conflict she gets.

So since you have misconceptions about my kin, ones that have been addressed by myself and others, yet you have assured yourself and the audience here to be true. Are you a liar as well since your own belief that such a tag is in their hands to lift? No, your stubborn. Stubbornness is inline with lying? Whether or not her statements are true or false you don't agree with them. Not exactly a horrible thing honestly. But either way someone who is stubborn as both of you are isn't going to admit it or that they're lying. So since it's obvious self admitting isn't going to happen, when does it really end? At some point news is no longer that new.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2016-12-10 00:31:16 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

As her words stay, she stays a liar, it is simply as that. Removal of the tag could be achieved by her own desire to take it off, that she never displayed herself. Though I provided her back then with the easy way, she rejected it. If she chooses the conflict, then the conflict she gets.

So since you have misconceptions about my kin, ones that have been addressed by myself and others, yet you have assured yourself and the audience here to be true. Are you a liar as well since your own belief that such a tag is in their hands to lift? No, your stubborn. Stubbornness is inline with lying? Whether or not her statements are true or false you don't agree with them. Not exactly a horrible thing honestly. But either way someone who is stubborn as both of you are isn't going to admit it or that they're lying. So since it's obvious self admitting isn't going to happen, when does it really end? At some point news is no longer that new.

There are various degrees of stubbornness and Kim represents an extreme of this. If I tried to convince her that Heth was not as good as she says he was she would call me a lying filthy frog.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2016-12-10 00:48:39 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

As her words stay, she stays a liar, it is simply as that. Removal of the tag could be achieved by her own desire to take it off, that she never displayed herself. Though I provided her back then with the easy way, she rejected it. If she chooses the conflict, then the conflict she gets.

So since you have misconceptions about my kin, ones that have been addressed by myself and others, yet you have assured yourself and the audience here to be true. Are you a liar as well since your own belief that such a tag is in their hands to lift? No, your stubborn. Stubbornness is inline with lying? Whether or not her statements are true or false you don't agree with them. Not exactly a horrible thing honestly. But either way someone who is stubborn as both of you are isn't going to admit it or that they're lying. So since it's obvious self admitting isn't going to happen, when does it really end? At some point news is no longer that new.

There are various degrees of stubbornness and Kim represents an extreme of this. If I tried to convince her that Heth was not as good as she says he was she would call me a lying filthy frog.

Oh I agree with you, though if you said the same thing about Midular you would probably hear more than "your a lying filthy frog" from me. What do you expect?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#76 - 2016-12-10 01:05:11 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That question wasn't on the topic, but I'll answer it.


Sure it was. The original topic, not the distraction.

Quote:

The State promised us that we will invade the Federation after we secure the warzone, and eventually we will secure Luminaire and our Homeworld. This is worth fighting and dying for.


Except that the warzones are actually established and limited by CONCORD directives, like a sporting event, and the State can't legally take systems outside what amounts to the playing field.

Oh for Maker's sake, I am stupid, I am terribly sorry, I confused the threads!!


The Caldari State gave us though the promise to invade the Federation and we believe it.

Besides that fighting in the warzone is not just for "winning the war". It is for protection of those who live there from the occupants. And even if we liberate all the system - we have still to fight to protect them from being occupied and oppressed again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2016-12-10 01:05:59 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

As her words stay, she stays a liar, it is simply as that. Removal of the tag could be achieved by her own desire to take it off, that she never displayed herself. Though I provided her back then with the easy way, she rejected it. If she chooses the conflict, then the conflict she gets.

So since you have misconceptions about my kin, ones that have been addressed by myself and others, yet you have assured yourself and the audience here to be true. Are you a liar as well since your own belief that such a tag is in their hands to lift? No, your stubborn. Stubbornness is inline with lying? Whether or not her statements are true or false you don't agree with them. Not exactly a horrible thing honestly. But either way someone who is stubborn as both of you are isn't going to admit it or that they're lying. So since it's obvious self admitting isn't going to happen, when does it really end? At some point news is no longer that new.

There are various degrees of stubbornness and Kim represents an extreme of this. If I tried to convince her that Heth was not as good as she says he was she would call me a lying filthy frog.

Oh I agree with you, though if you said the same thing about Midular you would probably hear more than "your a lying filthy frog" from me. What do you expect?

I'm not completely sure. I just know that I didn't ever feel that way about Roden nor do I feel that way about Gobbins (don't tell him I said that though)
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2016-12-10 01:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Liberator
Diana Kim wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That question wasn't on the topic, but I'll answer it.


Sure it was. The original topic, not the distraction.

Quote:

The State promised us that we will invade the Federation after we secure the warzone, and eventually we will secure Luminaire and our Homeworld. This is worth fighting and dying for.


Except that the warzones are actually established and limited by CONCORD directives, like a sporting event, and the State can't legally take systems outside what amounts to the playing field.

Oh for Maker's sake, I am stupid, I am terribly sorry, I confused the threads!!


The Caldari State gave us though the promise to invade the Federation and we believe it.

Besides that fighting in the warzone is not just for "winning the war". It is for protection of those who live there from the occupants. And even if we liberate all the system - we have still to fight to protect them from being occupied and oppressed again.

You can try to invade the Federation but unless you gank CONCORD's rapid response tech again you will fail about 15- 30 seconds after the first shot is fired
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#79 - 2016-12-10 01:31:38 UTC
Didn't work for the elder fleet....
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#80 - 2016-12-10 01:54:10 UTC
Wait, wait.

Where and when did the Caldari State, as an entity, give us the promise that we would invade the Federation and retake Caldari Prime once the warzone was secure? And who made that promise? Because for the duration of the war until Heth's charges and death, the State held Caldari Prime.

Maker, we still hold a majority of it.

Kim, citation, please.

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