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Eve is terminally ill

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#21 - 2016-11-30 11:39:46 UTC
Well at least we know why he posted it lol... 3bil in a transport is not the best idea.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#22 - 2016-11-30 12:26:38 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

Actually, while his Occator was far from perfectly fit, I can see what he was going for. Rely on the innate Gal T2 resists and supplement them with enough buffer, since most ganking in highsec is done with blaster boats that deal therm/kin damage.
I mean...the ship was criminally under-tanked, and there's no excuse for skipping active hardeners in a ship that gets so nice bonuses for them.
But Rammstein Gang did a nice job by doing their homework, analyzing the fit before the gank and viciously exploit the gaping EM hole in the tank. I think this is not so much about OP being terrible as it is about MeinHerzBrennt & company being excellent.
Kudos for a great kill.

It doesn't excuse the Overdrive, though (+18 m / s... whee). Nor the expander.

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-11-30 12:28:21 UTC
What baffles me, honestly, is the cargo expander. On a DST. I mean you actually hurt your tank, and do so for a module that buys you next to no benefit since most of the cargo space is in the fleet hangar anyway. The rest of it makes a sort of sense - you end up with a decent buffer, though you have a glaring resist hole that makes it nearly useless if exploited (as in this case), and reasonable agility for this type of ship.

But that cargo expander is like lipstick on a pig - it has no place here.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-11-30 12:30:55 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:

It doesn't excuse the Overdrive, though (+18 m / s... whee). Nor the expander.


Um. I have a horrible suspicion about why the overdrive is there, actually. I suspect it's there to make auto piloting faster. That is literally the only reason I can think of to fit one aside from crashing gates, and that's not going to help much if they web you down properly.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Memphis Baas
#25 - 2016-11-30 12:36:56 UTC
Superskinny1 wrote:
EVE is terminally ill.
RIP


?!?!

I mean, where's the compassion?
Where's the "We'll fight this thing together, and get better, I promise!"
Where's the anguished "DON'T YOU DIE ON ME!!!!! Shake shake slap slap."

You're just like, "Oh, so I guess you've got a cold, here, let me take you to the cemetery, bye."
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#26 - 2016-11-30 13:07:01 UTC
Umm, just asking because we touched the topic of highsec haulers: Would this be okay to recommend to (Minmatar) Alphas?

[Wreathe, Instalock Wreathe Alpha]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Charge Economizer II
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-11-30 13:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

Actually, while his Occator was far from perfectly fit, I can see what he was going for. Rely on the innate Gal T2 resists and supplement them with enough buffer, since most ganking in highsec is done with blaster boats that deal therm/kin damage.
I mean...the ship was criminally under-tanked, and there's no excuse for skipping active hardeners in a ship that gets so nice bonuses for them.
But Rammstein Gang did a nice job by doing their homework, analyzing the fit before the gank and viciously exploit the gaping EM hole in the tank. I think this is not so much about OP being terrible as it is about MeinHerzBrennt & company being excellent.
Kudos for a great kill.

It doesn't excuse the Overdrive, though (+18 m / s... whee). Nor the expander.


Don't get me wrong..it's a bad fitting with many poor choices, the OD + Expander combo being just an other example.
Yet, for a true shitfit it still doesn't qualify in my books.
True shitfits must have some kind of mad ingenuity, something so bizzarely odd that you just stare and wonder for a few minutes.
I refuse to call it a true shitfit without even at least two officer mod target painters. Straight

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Memphis Baas
#28 - 2016-11-30 13:19:34 UTC
1. Not 100% sure if the Alphas have access to the skills for T2 modules / rigs.

2. If you have to put in that many power grid modules to fit something, it's probably better to not fit. Low slots on industrials are typically reserved for:

- cargo expanders - Alphas are very limited to how high they can train their industrial skill, so as a result they don't get the cargo bonus that most industrials have. They can barely achieve 8,000 m3 with a full rack of expanded cargohold modules.

- agility modules - so you can align faster and GTFO, esp. if you're empty / return trip. "More tank" on a paper ship isn't effective because if you're caught, they sneeze and you die, so evasion is often better than tanking.

- warp core stabilizers - again, evasion. Technically you're warping to 0 to each gate, and instantly jump through, so the moment of vulnerability is on the other side of the gate, when you try to align to your next gate and warp to it.

So, not an expert, but personally I'd get rid of one of the large extenders, keep only one, and replace with shield hardener(s). And advise the newbies to carry a small container with a set of cargo extenders, nanofibers/inertia stabs, and warp core stabilizers, and refit the low slots as needed for the return trip.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-11-30 13:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Is this about DSTs being ganked now?

How many people here know you can fit an MJD on a DST, and how many people here know how to use it properly?

It's good to see I was right, though. Last year, I took a Mastadon between Neesher and Hek, passing through Amarr, Uedama, Balle, and various chokepoints, and brought it back again, with ten PLEX inside. I did that trip four times, and even announced it on reddit, these forums, and minerbumping channel ingame. I got cargo scanned twice. That was it. Not even one attempt, and everyone on reddit and the forums were saying, "nah, it's not possible, it's not possible, not worth the effort".

Meanwhile, I told em exactly how to do it, and it takes everyone a whole year to actually start doing it.

You people need to listen to me more often, seriously.

Now, who wants me to do the "Gank a DST, win some PLEX" event again? Cuz I'm down. But I'm warning you, it won't be a Mastadon this year, it'll be a high-sec modified variant of my cyno-baiting Impel. It's tanked quite a lot.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#30 - 2016-11-30 13:34:13 UTC
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-11-30 13:34:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Is this about DSTs being ganked now?

How many people here know you can fit an MJD on a DST, and how many people here know how to use it properly?

It's good to see I was right, though. Last year, I took a Mastadon between Neesher and Hek, passing through Amarr, Uedama, Balle, and various chokepoints, and brought it back again, with ten PLEX inside. I did that trip four times, and even announced it on reddit, these forums, and minerbumping channel ingame. I got cargo scanned twice. That was it. Not even one attempt, and everyone on reddit and the forums were saying, "nah, it's not possible, it's not possible, not worth the effort".

Meanwhile, I told em exactly how to do it, and it takes everyone a whole year to actually start doing it.

You people need to listen to me more often, seriously.

Now, who wants me to do the "Gank a DST, win some PLEX" event again? Cuz I'm down. But I'm warning you, it won't be a Mastadon this year, it'll be a high-sec modified variant of my cyno-baiting Impel. It's tanked quite a lot.


Mastodon pilots represent o7.

If anything, this thread and the acording kill has demonstrated again how superior the Mastodon's Omnitank™ is, even in highsec...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-11-30 13:38:21 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Is this about DSTs being ganked now?

How many people here know you can fit an MJD on a DST, and how many people here know how to use it properly?

It's good to see I was right, though. Last year, I took a Mastadon between Neesher and Hek, passing through Amarr, Uedama, Balle, and various chokepoints, and brought it back again, with ten PLEX inside. I did that trip four times, and even announced it on reddit, these forums, and minerbumping channel ingame. I got cargo scanned twice. That was it. Not even one attempt, and everyone on reddit and the forums were saying, "nah, it's not possible, it's not possible, not worth the effort".

Meanwhile, I told em exactly how to do it, and it takes everyone a whole year to actually start doing it.

You people need to listen to me more often, seriously.

Now, who wants me to do the "Gank a DST, win some PLEX" event again? Cuz I'm down. But I'm warning you, it won't be a Mastadon this year, it'll be a high-sec modified variant of my cyno-baiting Impel. It's tanked quite a lot.


Mastodon pilots represent o7.

If anything, this thread and the acording kill has demonstrated again how superior the Mastodon's Omnitank™ is, even in highsec...


You should see my Impel tank a Sin.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2016-11-30 13:56:04 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#34 - 2016-11-30 14:37:46 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
1. Not 100% sure if the Alphas have access to the skills for T2 modules / rigs.

2. If you have to put in that many power grid modules to fit something, it's probably better to not fit. Low slots on industrials are typically reserved for:

- cargo expanders - Alphas are very limited to how high they can train their industrial skill, so as a result they don't get the cargo bonus that most industrials have. They can barely achieve 8,000 m3 with a full rack of expanded cargohold modules.

- agility modules - so you can align faster and GTFO, esp. if you're empty / return trip. "More tank" on a paper ship isn't effective because if you're caught, they sneeze and you die, so evasion is often better than tanking.

- warp core stabilizers - again, evasion. Technically you're warping to 0 to each gate, and instantly jump through, so the moment of vulnerability is on the other side of the gate, when you try to align to your next gate and warp to it.

So, not an expert, but personally I'd get rid of one of the large extenders, keep only one, and replace with shield hardener(s). And advise the newbies to carry a small container with a set of cargo extenders, nanofibers/inertia stabs, and warp core stabilizers, and refit the low slots as needed for the return trip.


Actually, power diags are not only about the small boost to power grid. Remember they are a shield buffer and boosts to shield and cap regen. They become a very tempting low slot for shield tank users. I'm not saying they are the best option, but it's but just about grid. If it was just grid, drop 2 for a reactor control or micro auxillary core depending on the ships starting power grid.

And as this is a Minmitar alpha he may not get the skills to armor tank. That said, you lose capacity but I wonder if bulkhead would be better for overall tank.
Thursday Park-Laine
Queens of the Drone Age
#35 - 2016-11-30 15:20:42 UTC
Is there ANY MMO older than one year without "It's dying" posts on the player forum?
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#36 - 2016-11-30 15:59:14 UTC
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