EVE General Discussion

Defense players should be able to force the attackers out of station.

The attackers already turned off CONCORD for pocket money, and then they just dock forever.

To counter balance the CONCORD light switch, defenders should be able to eject attackers from stations.

At the minimum this should be looked at in the same light of AFK cloakers.

Incentives for defending corporations to fight back,like my proposal would reduce the Corp swapping behavior. You and I agree Corp swapping is an issue and carrots work better than sicks in video games.

So.... laughed at and then otherwise ignored until the next thread like this comes along?

I can see what you are trying to do and this is just my opinion, which is no better or worse than anyone else's, so take these replies with a grain of salt.

The issue I see with these is that none of them are balanced. They provide carrots to one side only by hitting the other side with a stick.

In my view, the mechanics should get out of the way, not become more important. They should be there just enough to allow conflict, but then how that proceeds should be up to the players.

These suggestions just seem counter to that, but my 0.02 has no more value then anyone else's.

Should they also be able to force them to login? Or what about if they are just in an empty pod, should they be able to force them into a specific ship of the defender's choice?

I always find this hullabaloo about wardeccers docking or staying docked hilarious. Players, everywhere in Eve won't show up to a fight they think there is no chance of winning. It is common practice for fleets to dock up, or log off, or stay in a POS, or even self-destruct if they think they other side completely outclasses them. That can be because they are risk-averse cowards, or could be because they have made the correct assessment that they have no chance to win, but regardless of the reasons, such tactics are completely normal and accepted behaviour everywhere in this game - except in highsec for some reason where it evokes tear-filled threads like this one.

If you want a fight, bait them like you have to do everywhere else. You don't just roll up with some overwhelming fleet and expect them to undock into an honourable destruction. If you have camped them into a station, well then take solace in the fact that your dominance has been established and thus your honour restored.

.......WHY ARE YOU NOT VOTABLE FOR IN THE CSM

*spams the vote for button anyway*

Double post apparently.

I have always been 100% pvp and at times been a very aggressive war dec corp in high sec. but at the moment I run a casual indy corp (its so weird). We just got war decced. Being on the receiving end is an interesting change of perspective. Sure you can swap corps and avoid the war. The aggressors can just deck that corp and so on. a war dec on an industrial corp shuts down all mining and most mission running. shutting off the source of most peoples income in an unwanted conflict. 90% of the time these indy corps are targeted randomly just because they were recruiting or active in a system. this will prevent people from loggin on for a week or more, or some will just quit playing the game altogether, and who benefits from that? On the flip side I like the option to war dec and it shouldnt be too limiting and restrictive for the aggressors, but they need a reason to declare war.

Im assuming alot of eve players have played Europa Universalis, I think it could be interesting to have some sort of Casus Belli system or "just Cause" for a war to take place. don't ask me how exactly this system would work but it would force the attackers to "fabricate a claim" or something like that. Give them a reason or justification to declare a war, and not just frivolously declare wars at random.

Just some thoughts from someone that knows both sides.

Damnit, I need to check who the thread OP is now before I click on them. Didn't this guy get permabanned from the forums? Did the alpha thing unban people?

You're gonna have to provide numbers for these assertions. CCP's numbers conflict with your claims, unfortunately, and if you think PVP corps don't get decced, you're mistaken. You'd be handing those corps, and corps that assist defenders, too much of an advantage over an attacker. Additionally, defenders are not at an inherent disadvantage just because they 'don't want to'. As for "isn't set up for PVP, hence being in highsec", that is their own mistake. PVP happens in highsec just like everywhere else in EVE. If you choose to play a PVP game and not learn the PVP, even if it's just for the sake of knowledge and understanding of how to avoid or evade an aggressor, then you disadvantage yourself.

For the record, I can point to four industrial corps that I've assisted as defenders in wardecs, who are now more than capable of not just defending themselves, but continuing their missioning and mining while the wardec is going. They are very successful high-sec corps as a result who now rarely get wardecced simply because they were able to bloody the nose of their aggressors, with future aggressors now looking at their kb and seeing, "oh, this indy corp can fight, let's leave them alone."

So while other industrial corps who "just don't wanna" are quitting or logging off for the week of their dec, these other indi corps continue working, continue profiting. They are winning EVE. I actually just bought a new Thanatos off one of em today.