Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hi recently i was interested to fly astero for pvp . the reason it has bonus on combat probing and can launch drones.

37.5 % bonus to core and combat scanner probe .

however u cant fit neither t1 or t2 expanded probe launcher which only can use combat probes coz of
base fitting lay out 170 cpu and 32 PG. with max cpu skill that goes up to 212.5 cpu and 40 pg.

regular t1 expanded probe launcher has 220 cpu and t2 has 242 cpu . with that u cant even fit those . sister expanded probe launcher has 210 cpu and u can fit it but dont think about fiting anything else coz u wont have any cpu left (such as warp scram or AB or tank or even dmg modz )

so i wonder if ccp noticed this bonus they have given to ships which u cant actually use.

thanx u

looking forward to see ppl thoughts about it and ccp too

You can fit an expanded probe launcher if you fill your low slots with Co-processors. You might also have to put a processor overclock rig in. It can be done, but it will severely limit your PVP options for tank (no DCU, no reppers, etc).

Better off going with a T3 for this sort of thing.

Would look something like this:

High:

Covert Ops Cloaking device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Mid:

Warp Scrambler II
5MN Microwarpdrive
(your choice)
(your choice)

Low:

Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Rigs:

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
(your choice)

All of your damage will be coming from light drones (Hobgoblins, Warriors, etc)


I suppose you could could try a weak active or passive shield tank. Not much to work with.

OHMAGERD!!!!!!

You have to make a decision between choking your fit to make it work or using core probes!!!!! Oh, how horrible it must be to not have everything you want on one ship.

/sarcasm

dont need to fit for everything same time. but fitting cpu modz in low slot to fit a single high slot mod which has given bonus for the ship . its kinda silly.

i hope CCP will look into it

It wouldn't be unreasonable to give the Astero some CPU reduction for the Expanded launcher, the T3 CPU reduction is quite frankly silly and is part of what creates the T3 or go home effect in some areas of EVE.
And more options that are viable to some extent wouldn't be bad for combat probing. Say 50%, still a heavy price to pay but not utterly crippling.

If you're fitting combat probes on a frigate, that's pretty much all you're going to be fitting.

They're hudgly powerful on cloaky things so it makes sense to have to gimp the ship to get them on there.

Whenever I'm training up a scout I'll always put them into an astero first while training for a t2 and I use a similar fit to the one linked above.

It probes and it cloaks, if that's what you fit for , that's all it will do and imo that's loads.
Asking it to be good tackle while doing those in the same fit is a but much.

The whole point of the astero (and the SOE line of ships) is that they're good at exploration, not necessarily that they're good at finding and killing people. That's why the battleship is really more of a low mass logi carrier than a battleship, and the cruiser is a bit more lenient on fitting resources (because why waste a cruiser on sites you can do in a frig)

Like most ships, you can refit the astero to do some things its not technically designed for (in this case combat probing) but its going to take some fitting tradeoffs to do so.

The astero is a great ship in its designed role: It can probe down pretty much every type of site, and it can do a decent job of taking down combat sites you'd expect a ship of its size to be able to complete. It has enough mids to mount a point with its tank and hacking modules so it can defend itself or fight off other explorers. It is possibly the most well rounded frig in a game where frigs are generally much more specialized for their roles due to a combination of tight fitting resources and low slot counts.

If you're trying to fit it for a job it isn't designed for, it's not going to do that job as well, and it isn't designed as a hunter/killer.

Have you read the description of the Astero? It's designed as an exploration ship. Combat probes are not exploration.

Figure putting combat probes on an Astero to be like fitting a 100MN afterburner to a cruiser. It can be done, but it's not really meant to hold it.

Ever stopped to think that it's a boiler plate bonus? Lots of role bonuses are simply copy/pasted across ship types with the same general purpose. FFS, the Nestor gets a bonus to Analyzer strength, but that doesn't make a Nestor a good relic/data site ship.

Let us not forget the mining drone bonus on the Vexor and VNI.

Or the fact that capital scanning rigs are a real thing that really exists.

The list goes on and on.