EVE General Discussion

I think that continious war decs and dog piling should be reduced as much as possible by the mechanics, but on the other hand I agree with war decs for the week of the war dec following a player but not to an NPC corp, So if he joins another player corp he takes the war dec with him during that week, if he joins an NPC corp he is free of it, but should he join another player corp within that week he will have the war dec up until the end of the original week. I hope that makes sense.


Some people say that the major merc war dec corps and alliances don't have assets in space, but they do, they are just not in the main alliance or corp hands, they are in the hands of alt corps and they have a massive network of POCO's which they defend by alllying on the war against anyone who war decs the holding corp. I have identified a number of them without much effort and for shites and giggles I war dec'd a POCO holding corp and they did not disappoint, and I have three of them in the war, Vendetta, Public-Enemy and P I R A T. I will point out that this is not a moan, I expected that to happen, and I find it rather amusing.

It may be that this is also a way for war dec entities to get easy kills on people who miss the fact that the war for them starts 4 hours after they allied, so they catch out people who are unaware of this little stupidity on the part of CCP, but of course I knew about it, sorry lads and lasses and I have used it for my own benefit once.

But the question is really aimed at other hisec denizens, do you have what it takes to poke them a bit, it is their weak spot if you just realised it, but that would mean moving out of your comfort zone of avoidance which is the real issue of the war dec system and no I do not mean throwing yourselves at blinged fleets with copious amounts of neutral logi, but being a royal pain in the ass.

I know that my words here will fall on death ears and a lack of willpower on the people who make up the prey in hisec, but if you really wanted to play Eve and make it fun this is staring you in the face...

There are to sorts of wardeccs:
1. free freighter ganking: doesn't need any help
2. to get fights: need upgarde!

The main problem is, that there is no reason why someone should fight back.
1. It disrupts your normal playing style, wardeccers don't want to be forced to mine too)
2. You can achieve nothing: Wardeccers use every trick to not get shot so why should the target do anything else?
3. You can't win (main point): The wardeccer can prolong the wardecc indefinitely no matter what you do and how often you win. If he has the money he can decc you for years without once leaving station.

So there is no reason to fight back you are just helpless till the attacker decides to take back the wardecc. NOTHING you can do will change this.

Solutions:
1. limit wardeccs in time depending on the the size of the corps. Max time 3 weeks per war, on small corps max 1 week. cooldown 2 Month, mutual wardeccs excluded.
2. put a structure in space that the attacker need to defend like a POS (less hp of cause). Fighting without Concord intervention is only possible during the vulnerable hours of the structure (no timezone shenengas). The destruction of the structure is contractable. Destruction ends the wardecc and starts the cooldown.
3. leaving players have a 7 day cooldown before they can join another corp without the new corp getting the wardecc too. Leaving players take their cooldowns with them but not to the new corp aka: Attackers can't corp-hop to circumvent cooldowns. They are personally excluded for the 2 month cooldown.

This way there will be incentive to stay in Corp and incentive to do something actively against the wardecc. This will creat fights because you have a goal: to end the wardecc.

So disbanding corps and avoiding fights at any price is good? It is creating fun content for anyone?

Give people a goal and they might, not always will, struggle to achieve it. Put them at the mercy of someone and they will try to avoid it like plague. They are paying to play the game for fun so you have to create fun and goals for everyone. May it be the kill, or the end of the wardecc.

Tell me a reason why someone should fight back and what he will achieve by fighting back. Even if you are in for fights a target that fights back will give the attacker more incentive to prolong!!!! the wardecc which is exactly what the other side wants to avoid. By disbanding or playing dead they do exactly the right thing to rob you of content and make stop wardeccing them.

There is never only one side of a problem. You have to give them a chance to make them fight or otherwise they will simply rob you of content by disbanding. What do you gain by forcing people into NPC corps?

I think CCP did that because they suck, the 4 hour delay on allies should have a conditional based on the original war dec, whoever programmed this should have a kick up the butt. Logically it should be tied in to the original war dec start, I think CCP were lazy in programming this and did not do it for balance, would be fascinated to find out if my suspicion on this is true, do you have anything that proves it was deliberate?

How about the fact that it is actually like that? Pretty good evidence that CCP meant it that way given the way is designed, coded, tested and refined.

It has to be pretty deliberate to create the code for the software. Programmers don't make the logic up as they go.

I'd accept your blunder in this if there was evidence that this was as high as you can count, but the reality is, I know you can count higher. What you don't understand is the game itself. Since this was what you thought would be the premise of the rest of your post, we'll ignore the ridiculousness of the rest of it and just focus on this misconception right here.

Right now, I'm engaged in a wardec against a corp that's been taking advantage of rookies. New players. I'm not ending the dec until they relent and leave all rookie systems. The reason for my dec is simple: CCP is not enforcing their rookie system protection policies (despite filing a ticket and receiving literally no acknowledgement of it until weeks later when they asked me for 'feedback'. Needless to say, it was negative), so it is therefore up to me, the player, to help those rookies in need.

Now if you go ahead, and put your mind to it, I'm sure you can think of a few more reasons why someone might wardec someone else.

A lot of people like yourself assume the wardec system is only used to dec on 'indies' and 'newbs' and what you might consider 'weaker' players. Well, I am going after weaker players, but they ain't newbs. They are legitimate griefers. Instead of sitting here in the forums complaining about griefers, I'm out their taking the trash out by forc, using the wardec system.

What are you, and all the other people whining about decs, doing exactly?

No, it was deliberate. It used to be 24 hours before an ally could engage when it was first implemented. If you think they can't change it to zero, if they want, you're mistaken. They changed it to four. You really need to learn to get your facts straight before making dumb assumptions, and stop pretending your 'programming expertise' is of any merit.

Oh god.

Scipio said "oh god" because what you think you're seeing, and proving, is totally not what's going on, and it's so damned obvious to anyone that's paid attention to the development of this game in general that the only possible reason for this pure pompous 'self-confidence' you seem to have is actual, legitimate delusion-based narcissism. So **** off. You're wrong. It was done intentionally, nothing 'sloppy' about it.

Nah, Monday was yesterday for me. It's Tuesday night now. Not that it matters, considering I work from home and have my weekends whenever I like ^_^