Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, im one of the people that dont have that big a problem with ecm as most people have, sure a cloaked falcon is annoying but just as annoying as a curse or a cloaked logi


But the ECM module has one big flaw in my opinion, a flaw none of the other ewars share. It serves as a protection to itself, if a dampening ship damps you down you can pilot around that, get close to it and its ewar is useless. A TD is similar, you can fly in such a way that you negelect their ability to disrupt you, if you lower transversal you will still hit and if you get close up range TDs wont do anything.

All other ewar is counterable by targeting the ship using the ewar and flying "around" it, getting up close or lowering transversal or loading specific ammo - you can counter them.



The only piloting heavy way to counter ECM is to fly away from it, really far away. And once you are so far away you cant hold the ECM ship down or in most ships apply damage to it. Killing a celestis is easy, once its scrammed and you are brawling it it is dead, once you scrammed a Blackbird you are either getting lucky or most likely getting jammed so it can escape.



This i think needs to be changed, ECM is fine offensively, but defensively it is way to strong.


Hence i would like to propose a minimal range for ECM to be effective, 15 or 20 KM or so, if any ship is within that range it no longer is targetable by ECM and thus ECM doesnt defend the ship itself. So instead of ecm being 0-x kms range it should be 20-x km range.

So 1-20 km ecm has a no chance of working, then in the optimal it works just as it does right now and falloff stays the same.

This would mean that they maintain their power (although they need to be a bit more carefull about positioning) but that they arent a get out of jail for free card for themselves. If a ship manages to get up close to the ECM ship that either needs to fit weapons and tank or have enough help, ECM should not be TANK.

The navy griffing could get a role bonus still making it usefull for that. I think this would fix a lot of the problems ECM has right now.

The biggest difference between ECM and other ewar isn't range. It's the simple fact that ECM is either all or nothing. A damping pilot can fly in a way to maintain range. A TD pilot can fly in a way to keep his transversal up. ECM either works or it doesn't. Just as there's no way for a pilot to fly in way that neutralizes ECM, there's also no way for a pilot to fly in a way that improves its effect. I call this balanced.

So can a ecm ship fly to maintain range. All ewars are pretty skillless in how they work. This would make ecm weaker in the situations its super annoying (i.e cloaked falcon in 1v1s) while making it slightly harder to use in normal pvp, although as a ecm ship you ought to kite anyways.

It would basicely allow for good piloting to counter ecm, while right now you can either gtfo or get lucky.

Dont you get the problem? If you fly very far away from a ecm ship to counter it you cannot kill it anymore, it protects itself making it pretty easy to use (which is why stuff like falcon alts are a thing). That is super annoying and very bad balance wise, making it so the ECM ship actually has to pilot to stay alive would solve all of that.

When i am damped i have to get closer to my TARGET to counter it. Not the ewar ship. When i get tracking disrupted i have to get closer to my TARGET to counter it. Not the e-war ship.

Ecm does not work like other ewar and you're incapable of thinking outside of a 1v1 environment. Do you also think target painting should have a minimum range? Neuts? Scram?

If you are getting ecmed you have to kill the ewar ship, theres no way around it.

Yeah maybe in a 1v1.

Don't get me wrong. Its a popular primary, but the mere presence of an ecm ship does not make it first choice everytime in every situation. And how does your idea impact industrial ships that use ecm as a chance to break a scram when things have gone **** up?

This is your problem. You cannot think of the game outside of your own bubble and your premise that ecm should be countered in a similar way to other ewar is flawed.

No, in pretty much anything that isnt a massive scale battle. Ecm is the primary almost always. (also id appreciate it if you would answer with your main and not some alt for pvp discussions)

Not really, ECM having a chance to fail is balanced by the absurd OPness of it if it works, it takes 1 ship out of the game for 20 seconds. Thats way more powerfull then damps or tds, the downside is the chance. That is where the balance comes from.


Not because it serves as anti-tackle for itself. That is just bad design.

Die without a chance obviously (or fit dps/tank or warpcore stabs). Its eve, if you get tackled by a vindicator in a t1 cruiser they dont complain about it either. Dont get tackled by a superior ship or die.