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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-11-29 01:52:44 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Letizzia Omanid wrote:
And now I'll lose a few nights of sleep wondering about what's lurking inside my skull.


Probably a dormant kill-switch, since it's supposedly made from technology stolen from Drifters, humanity's newest kinda sorta enemy.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Or mind control technology
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2016-11-29 07:07:16 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:

I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)

Wow, I didn't know Caldari selection of candidates was so severe! Here we were selected only if God allowed us by writing it in our genome... I wonder how Federal selection was looking like.

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Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#23 - 2016-11-29 15:48:17 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Morgan Wulver wrote:

I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)

Wow, I didn't know Caldari selection of candidates was so severe! Here we were selected only if God allowed us by writing it in our genome... I wonder how Federal selection was looking like.

All of the above, but money can get you past some of the "requirements" (such as the degree) on its own. Around 115 most capsuleer training institutions across New Eden had adopted that set of standards, I gather, but the consistency with which they are applied remains variable and slightly flexible.
Yarosara Ruil
#24 - 2016-11-29 19:52:00 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior.


Third Generation Storm Wind Strikeforce Logistician Class 4 Major of the Hydra Squad, thank you very much!

And there's nothing wrong with my behavior, you big meanie!
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#25 - 2016-11-29 20:39:03 UTC
It's interesting to see the different ways we all ended up in the capsuleer program.

My parivaar (a parivaar is communal social group that makes up the basic political unit on my home planet) sponsored my capsuleer application with communal funds. Most of the parivaar's income comes from the export of wooden crafts and goods to the Gallente. The natural materials trend is still going strong in the Federation so they do quite well. Currency is not used in the planetary economy and is mostly used for trade with off-worlders or given to members who have to go off-world, so it wasn't a huge drain to pay for my capsuleer training.

Normally they wouldn't blow such a large amount on one person but this was at the recommendation of Ramjat Idama, a local religious leader who suggested this path to me.

I don't remember the training itself as being too arduous, there was some basic physical and psychological conditioning but most of it was in class material covering the physics of space travel, training on electronic systems and various docking/stargate activation protocols, etc.

Our Alpha brothers and sisters seem to have less thorough training, but they are also approved for far less hardware or skill software.
Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#26 - 2016-11-29 23:37:57 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior.


Third Generation Storm Wind Strikeforce Logistician Class 4 Major of the Hydra Squad, thank you very much!

And there's nothing wrong with my behavior, you big meanie!

I honestly can't tell when she's bullshitting or not anymore.

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Triffton Ambraelle
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#27 - 2016-11-30 02:23:39 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
So I have a question that has been plaguing me all day and no one on my staff seems to know the answer to this. With the recent surge in more and more pilot canidates being accepted into the empyrean program, what are entry requirements like these days?

I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)

That, or you knew a guy living out in an asteroid belt that'd be willing to grow you a new body with a "Baby's First Clonevat" junior scientist kit.

I worked hard. Very, very, very, very hard to grease the right palms and cheese my way through canidate selection, and though the Naval Academy no less! I wore those stupid Provist dress blues, went on every fast cruise, and sat through five damn long, boring years of training to get here and now because we scrapped some snot off an alien corpse these yahoos can apparently breeze through selection at an accelerated rate like they freaking ordered their capsule online and we're just stopping in to pick it up.

Someone tell me some good news. Someone tell that it's not that easy for them and that I didn't squander my youth to get here only for it all to be pointless.


We're looking at this backwards. Kind of.

The Sisters of Eve developed (or stole) a viable, stable, and cheaper clone that could be mass produced because of its simplicity. This same simplicity required the use of neural expanders and other biomed tech to allow the Grey matter patterns to be elastic and complex enough to interact with advanced ship systems interfaces. The mental and neural requirements were relaxed because it wasn't needed!

Their new brains had to be literally stretched and altered so they could get on our level.

> In chasing the unknown, we discover ourselves.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#28 - 2016-11-30 02:33:20 UTC
The last half decade or so, this place and the other 'open to all' fora have pretty much proven that the bar for entry was for all intents and purposes just a playground slide for the vast majority of New Eden's capsuleers anyway. The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#29 - 2016-11-30 03:16:04 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Someone tell me some good news. Someone tell that it's not that easy for them and that I didn't squander my youth to get here only for it all to be pointless.


It wasn't pointless - for one thing, they likely wouldn't exist if it weren't for us, as somebody has to be the forerunner.
Anyway, I don't know of the alpha capsuleer training programme much anything but it clearly is blindingly fast compared to what we went through. I spent just three years in training - and yes I later heard even that was incredibly accelerated training with little if any regard to our safety - alphas seem to spend maybe mere months in training, most of which I can only assume is spent using capsule simulators and teaching them to avoid mindlock, which as I recall took a very long time for me personally.

I remember being offered the training - I was already about to gradtuate and become a pilot to the Fafnir (a Tempest -class battleship), so I had some basic understanding and physical endurance needed for the program already - maybe one of the reasons I succeeded where many failed. Maybe not.

I remember there being over two thousand hopefuls at the opening ceremony. When we completed the training, there were only thirty-seven of us left.


So, yes. Maybe hey have it easy. But I believe I can say from experience the life of a capsuleer isn't what most baseliners imagine it to be, and nobody really should be envious of us. And despite them having it "easy" I aint envious of the Alphas, I maybe even pity them. Welcome to the grinder.


Whew, this stirred up some rather unpleasant memories, I think I need a stiff drink.
Ghelisis Achasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-11-30 05:06:24 UTC
As a former Omega, I don't look down on my Omega career one bit. If it meant fighting to regain our honor against the Caldari, I was very happy flying their own ships against them.

As an alpha, I can still work for the Federation, albeit in a far more subdued role. I can still take missions...low level ones sure, but every ship destroyed helps the Federation immesurably. As new Alphas I don't think we lost our skills - most likely they are safely stored in a skillbank somewhere.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#31 - 2016-11-30 15:46:47 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod.


Synaptic remapping can have some interesting side effect, especially when most capsuleers prioritize all other cognitive functions over those that enable the development of social skills.

I also sometimes wonder if there are other metaphysical causes for some capsuleer behaivour. I've noticed a disturbing trend among Empyreans who seem to believe they are in some kind of simulation or game.
Elissa Book
Dynamic's Incorporated
#32 - 2016-12-14 11:26:26 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
I also sometimes wonder if there are other metaphysical causes for some capsuleer behaivour. I've noticed a disturbing trend among Empyreans who seem to believe they are in some kind of simulation or game.


I suspect, this is some kind of post-traumatic disorder after extensive usage of capsule simulators during their crash course.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-12-14 14:39:15 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod.


Synaptic remapping can have some interesting side effect, especially when most capsuleers prioritize all other cognitive functions over those that enable the development of social skills.

I also sometimes wonder if there are other metaphysical causes for some capsuleer behaivour. I've noticed a disturbing trend among Empyreans who seem to believe they are in some kind of simulation or game.


It can be quite fun to play along with those delusions sometimes. I once met one of those kind of capsuleers in a bar, he was already quite a few drinks in. and on a whim I played along with it, told him that he was right and that it was a simulation, that he was actually still in training and that this was all a test, and that the only reason he hadn't passed it yet was that it was intended to see how well they could work towards benefiting other members of the tribes... I then got him to buy my drinks for the rest of the night. "as a start"
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#34 - 2016-12-15 09:43:06 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Morgan Wulver wrote:

I'm legitimately curious, because I'm starting to feel a little robbed here. Back in my day you were required to have a technical degree, 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, immaculate blood pressure, a complete genome profile, a six hour oral exam, and a 60 kilometer run before they would even consider letting you join. Oh, and that whole needing to score 98 percentile in your aptitude test. (Which, judging by many of the capsuleers I have met is either a testament to how daft most of New Eden is or to how flawed standardized tests are.)

Wow, I didn't know Caldari selection of candidates was so severe! Here we were selected only if God allowed us by writing it in our genome... I wonder how Federal selection was looking like.


Indeed, the severity of selection criteria is somewhat curious. Of course in my case, once it was found I was suitable for becoming a capsuleer, I had a lot of assistance. That same assistance being made available to those aiming to be alpha clones as well.
Praevus
#35 - 2016-12-16 12:13:26 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod.


Synaptic remapping can have some interesting side effect, especially when most capsuleers prioritize all other cognitive functions over those that enable the development of social skills.

I also sometimes wonder if there are other metaphysical causes for some capsuleer behaivour. I've noticed a disturbing trend among Empyreans who seem to believe they are in some kind of simulation or game.
What makes you think you are not in one? Human brain is easily fooled. Why are you so sure that pod of yours is actually in a ship that goes somewhere, or that there is a pod, or even your physical cloned body, at all? You may as well be an uploaded conscience in a virtual universe, a part of a Sleeper experiment, for example. Knowing their technology, you wouldn't tell the difference.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#36 - 2016-12-16 16:44:58 UTC
Praevus wrote:
Persephone Alleile wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The only other explanation is that immediately upon graduation nine out of ten capsuleers went out and had a lobotomy in order to remove every scoop of brain goo not absolutely required to function in a pod.


Synaptic remapping can have some interesting side effect, especially when most capsuleers prioritize all other cognitive functions over those that enable the development of social skills.

I also sometimes wonder if there are other metaphysical causes for some capsuleer behaivour. I've noticed a disturbing trend among Empyreans who seem to believe they are in some kind of simulation or game.
What makes you think you are not in one? Human brain is easily fooled. Why are you so sure that pod of yours is actually in a ship that goes somewhere, or that there is a pod, or even your physical cloned body, at all? You may as well be an uploaded conscience in a virtual universe, a part of a Sleeper experiment, for example. Knowing their technology, you wouldn't tell the difference.


Agreed. And since you couldn't tell the difference, is there really one? What it comes down to is experiences. The one thing we can be sure is real is the effect our experiences have upon us, so does it matter if the experience is 'real' or virtual?

In such a case is there really much point in engaging with the world as though it is a simulation? Why not submerge yourself into it and accept your experiences as real and learn from them what you can?
Praevus
#37 - 2016-12-16 18:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Praevus
Persephone Alleile wrote:
In such a case is there really much point in engaging with the world as though it is a simulation? Why not submerge yourself into it and accept your experiences as real and learn from them what you can?
If you look at the "gamer dementia" of the weaker minds, you'll see that it is, first and foremost, a defensive mechanism.

Thinking of the world as a simulation and people as AI instances helps the weak to simplify everything. The scale of things, the cause and effect, the guilt - everything is boiled down to a set of, albeit complex, game mechanics.

The weak do not want to get "submerged" into it all, because what's left of their egos would collapse. They play to win, not to suffer.

But there's also another thing. If New Eden is a fake, there should be subtle cracks in the walls here and there that an inquisitive mind might be able to notice and exploit to one's advantage. No software is perfect. If found, such an exploit might make one a god among the unsuspecting sheeple.

...Or end him if the Demiurges are watching.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2016-12-16 22:49:34 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
You were a first generation clone soldier? Well that explains your behavior.


Third Generation Storm Wind Strikeforce Logistician Class 4 Major of the Hydra Squad, thank you very much!

And there's nothing wrong with my behavior, you big meanie!

I honestly can't tell when she's bullshitting or not anymore.

If I'm not mistaken third generation clone soldiers are an experimental prototype cloned soldier so the probability that she is one is very low and if she is than they need to update either the clones or the entry process
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